Former Youth Teamer Casts Terry In New Light
This is a fascinating read, and a good counterpoint to those used to painting John Terry as a terrible human being.
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Graham MacAree
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Excellent read.
Legend. Always nice to hear how things really are behind the scenes. Its too bad the media would never pick up/report on something like this rather than the usual they give to JT.
So far I have seen this posted on Dirty Tackle and Who Ate all the Pies
So, comment redacted! Nice to see this reposted.
Bastions of soccer media!
Not a peep on The Guardian, Telegraph, BBC, ESPN, etc, etc, etc.
Instead they’re all looking for new ways to trample on JT, either by blaming him (or Chelsea) for the Capello/FA fallout or gleefully announcing that he does not appear in Umbro’s latest ad campaign (but remains on the books as a sponsored athlete) and that Samsung has come out to specify that they’re sponsoring the club, not any single player.
They also want to know where Terry is
How mysterious of AVB to give him some days off while he is injured! But where, AVB, have you hid him? Conspiracies!
I love that they think AVB, whether he knows or not, is going to tell them.
I wasn't expecting any notice
so even a little is nice. Of course it’d be grand for a wider reaching site to pick up on the story, but they are intent on sticking to the topics you mentioned. My expectations of the media are low enough that I was pleased to see it on WAATP and DT.
Dirty Tackle is written by a Chelsea fan
by Graham MacAree on Feb 9, 2012 7:52 PM GMT up reply actions
Is it?
I didn’t know that.
Author and Official Fernando Torres Apologist for We Ain't Got No History!
That explains their post
with the video of the Chelsea training behind-the-scenes moment.
I saw that too!
At least the light-hearted folk that read those will maybe take a look. Of course, the folks that are super-serious about their footballing news, they will go on reading the Daily Fail ;)
why does it always make me so emotional
To hear about people doing good things? I swear the story about what JT did for Al the staffer made me want to cry. I really hope Terry is cleared of the racism charge b/c if not I’ll find it impossible to root for him. But these things — the story above, Drog’s work in Ivory Coast, teammates coming to support Essien’s work in Ghana, the way the whole team rallied around Lamps after THAT penalty (Drogs and Malouda hugging him as he wept), Drogs kissing JT on the cheek after dude returned to the locker room after being knocked out — mean so much to me. I’m really proud to support a team with that kind of heart, and to see pple of different colors/backgrounds united like that. One love.
by dojothecat on Feb 8, 2012 9:51 PM GMT via mobile reply actions
Your opinion of the man will be swayed if a YouTube video showing John Terry's face is deemed enough evidence to mark him guilty on the count of 'racist abuse'?
I’m just curious.
no
The assumption is that it will require substantial evidence to actually convict him. That’s putting a lot of faith in the justice system surely, but if he is convicted that certainly makes a strong argument that he said what he’s charged w saying.
by dojothecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:15 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
If Terry is found guilty then I won't be able to support him and would actually prefer if he lost the Chelsea armband
However, until then (if at all) he will always be a Legend to me.
The Nigerian Perspective!
by Iced O on Feb 8, 2012 10:23 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
I feel the same way
And would even go so far as to say that I’d prefer he lost the Chelsea jersey altogether if found guilty. That said, I’m hoping he’s cleared of the charges. As it stands now, agreed: absolute legend.
by dojothecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:27 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Personally, I wouldn't go that far. If convicted, he should be punished and probably
removed as captain, but removed from the team completely? I don’t feel that way. I mean, which one of us has never said something really, really stupid in the heat of the moment?
sure we've all said something stupid
But not racist. I feel like a racist insult would only come up in the heat of the moment if a person harbored racist feelings. Saying what Terry is accused of saying is only stupid is I feel an attempt to gloss over it. So I don’t feel like someone w racist feelings should wear the Chelsea shirt or represent the club. IF Terry were convicted but only stripped of the captaincy it would be very difficult for his replacement if Terry remained given his longstanding leadership.
by dojothecat on Feb 9, 2012 2:42 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
People say stupid shit all the time in the heat of the moment
Doesn’t actually mean that they harbor the implied underlying feelings.
Think of it this way…I certainly know how I could go about mortally insulting someone of a different color, race, gender, creed, sexual orientation, etc. I also know that I’m not a racist, or a sexist, etc.
(But I also know that from a limited/outside perspective, based on one such insult/etc I could be branded as one.)
I got super pissed at Howard Webb at the weekend. I even said I would kill
him if I ever saw him. Now that I’ve calmed down, I would never say something like that, especially to his face (presumably). Does that make me a murderer at heart? I think not.
When you’re angry at someone, it’s very, very easy to say that which you think would cause them the most emotional harm. If you don’t know that person well enough, it’s usually something violent, about their family, or a reference to the color of their skin. If it is indeed the latter, while not OK, I really don’t think it makes you a racist at heart.
I agree
I have said some terrible things I’ve regretted, and it was mostly because I knew it was the thing that would hurt someone the most, or get under their skin. I can think of a few examples right now that make me cringe.
How many of us can say we’ve never used that completely inaccurate and homophobic phrase for suggesting something wasn’t cool; “that’s gay”? My guess is not many. It was a pretty big trend when I was growing up. But does that make someone anti-homosexuals because they said it? Probably not. (Please note… I am speaking strictly of using this phrase to describe something they don’t like, or whatever… not when people actually use it as a slight toward sexuality.)
I struggle not to use the term “retarded” to describe something I think is dumb (mostly because I use it for dumb things, and not to describe people with different capabilities or chromosomes). I’d hardly say I harbor bad feelings towards the groups that tend to find that term insulting.
In fact, I’d say calling something you don’t like “gay” is pretty “retarded”. Interesting though, as we all have our own interpretations and probably topics that we are touchier about than others (clearly, I can manage to get heated up about sexism more than I’d have ever thought possible, given my poor relations with people that identify as feminist). I’m pretty sensitive to classism as well.
Not sure what I think should be done to Terry… I still have to get my head around the fact that saying a racial slur is something punishable in court. I don’t think it’s okay and he certainly deserves punishment if found guilty, but not sure what I would find to be fair (maybe because it just isnt a crime here- I don’t really have precedent). And while I believe in the concept of innocence until proven guilty, I’d have a hard time supporting someone and then instantly abandoning all of it because of a trial I wasn’t involved in. I’m perhaps a little too attached to things to change my opinion so quickly, sometimes. I suppose I’ll just have to go on the word of the court case, and what the club deems appropriate action.
There’s my novel for today! Yay!
You pretty much elaborated on my point, and I agree. My opinion
of him will be tarnished somewhat, but it wouldn’t take a dramatic U-turn. Despite popular belief, he’s human and humans say stupid things when under the full influence of their emotions. To clarify, that’s not condoning use of racial slurs.
I’m also a little trying to wrap my head around the whole “saying-a-racial-slur-is-a-crime” thing. Not saying that it shouldn’t be, but I haven’t encountered it before.
Racist slurs aren't okay
But there’s a difference in passing by someone and yelling back a racist slur at him and competing in a world-class competition with someone and being frustrated in the heat of the moment with the back-and-forth duel.
If he did it, was it okay? Of course it wasn’t. You should know better, John Terry! But it also doesn’t unravel the person at their core. Terry is Terry; he’s a passionate mother [fun]er. That’s why Chelsea fans love him so – he’ll do whatever it takes to win. If he did say something to Anton, hopefully he learns from it and next time just refers to him as a ‘wanker’ or an ‘asshole’ in the aforementioned heat of the moment – that’s what I’ll take out of this.
'Him' being generic, of course
Because heaven knows John Terry will never utter another negative phrase directed at Anton Ferdinand ever again. He’s surely learned his lesson; those QPR fans own themselves cameras aplenty.
I totally agree
alynne and valens hit the nail on the head with this one. Us who have not played in a match of the magnitude of any premier league match nevermind a cross town match can not even imagine how heated the battle becomes, and yet we still get angry over calls or missed shots and say things we don’t literally mean. Do you know how many times I would have killed Chris Foy’s family if I meant everything I said when watching football. Supporters are the emotionally invested in a game that they say crazy things in the heat of the moment – now imagine if you were actually the ones playing the game.
Do not try to treat players as if they are robots that are programmed to play football and do nothing outside the pitch. They are human like the rest of us and I wonder how his critics would do if faced with the spotlight and adversity that JT faces on the regular.
by Blue for life on Feb 9, 2012 7:44 AM GMT up reply actions
Your last paragraph wonderfully sums up my entire reaction to this
The only problem I have is my inherent difficulty in taking the word of the court case. I find it crazy that, based off of some YouTube video, a full-out police investigation was launched on John Terry – and, even crazier, that enough evidence came of that YouTube video to warrant a trial.
Where this evidence comes from, I really haven’t the slightest. In fact, most of me is skeptical that this isn’t just the police hiring a lip-reader to tell the court that they’re not retarded, and they did, in fact, accurately see what he said (see what I did there?).
I don’t know if it’ll change my opinion of Terry. I don’t think so. I’ve been called every name under the sun during sporting competitions – including racist ones, and I’m a generic German-Irish-English Caucasian! – and I’ve never taken it personally. People get really fired up in the heat of the moment. It happens. I won’t pretend that it’s the same for me to be called a ‘n-’ as it would be for a black person, but then, I was once called a Nazi and my grandfather spent time in a concentration camp because his father openly protested Hitler. I didn’t take great offense to that. Words are words; I don’t know. I feel like witch hunts like this marginalize actual incidents of racist abuse and racism.
But hey, I’m an American, so what do I know?
Racist abuse is racist abuse. There is no excuse for it. I'm not saying Terry is a Racist but as long as he racially insulted someone then he deserves punishment.
He is the Captain. He can’t make foolish mistakes like that. I don’t believe someone who does not have a little prejudice can use a racial slur anyway. It just won’t occur to you. That’s why I believed Suarez was guilty and will believe Terry is guilty if proved…
The Nigerian Perspective!
by Iced O on Feb 9, 2012 7:37 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
I have several white friends and we've fought hundreds of times
Yet neither them or I have ever racially insulted the other. We’ve insulted each others mums, fathers, clothes, houses and even threatened to murder each others dogs but NEVER was a racial slur used! Many of them had never even met a black person before yet there was no racial abuse.
If Terry actually said those words then he is guilty. That’s my two cents.
The Nigerian Perspective!
by Iced O on Feb 9, 2012 7:45 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
No one's saying he shouldn't be punished if found guilty,
just that we shouldn’t hang him either.
I agree
If any of my white friends said a racial slur to me (I’m Indian, living in America) we would throw down, no question. It’s never happened, and to be honest I think that saying it’s just a heat of the moment thing is a bit of denial. You don’t say that sht.
by dojothecat on Feb 9, 2012 7:46 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Evra alleged that Suarez kicked him and said it was 'because you're black' and called him a 'blackie' and 'negro' multiple times
This utterance by Terry was an isolated incident; there’s no way you can compare the two.
I'm not comparing the two incidents
Just saying that I believe that the intention behind the comments are racist…
The Nigerian Perspective!
'and, even crazier, that enough evidence came of that YouTube video to warrant a trial.'
This is an assumption. The police requested further evidence from QPR before proceeding with the case. At this point we do not know what evidence is on the table.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 9, 2012 4:38 PM GMT up reply actions
That was my point
The following paragraph was my open speculation, but that line was simply stating, in wonder, that ‘somehow, the police feel ample evidence came to support an investigation that initially stemmed from a video posted online’.
that's why
Speculation is useless. It’s based on what one does not know.
by dojothecat on Feb 9, 2012 7:48 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know where that substantial evidence is going to come from is what I'm saying
This case is just set up for incredible amounts of failure.
you know, I hope it is
But we don’t actually know all the evidence. I would think the testimony of other players on the field wiil be important.
by dojothecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:28 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
No, we certainly don't
But we do know that Anton Ferdinand had no idea Terry had even said anything. So, unless a fellow QPR mate actually heard something or feels like committing perjury to [fun] over a rival, I don’t think anything’s coming of that, either.
As Graham told me, this charge stems from this individual incident. This isn’t a ’you’re a racist’ charge, this is a ‘you might have been caught saying something stupid in front of cameras’ charge. It’s going to be mighty hard to prove this was actually racist abuse without Ferdinand’s personal testimony indicting Terry, which is obviously out because Ferdinand has been on record saying he had no clue anything actually happened during the game.
sure what you say is logical
And I don’t disagree with it. I just won’t speculate on the evidence or assume an outcome. I hope he’s cleared as much as you do.
by dojothecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:41 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
i almost lost my retinas reading this thing...... Happy to see a positive story from terry
Everybody stutters one way or the other
So check out my message to you.
As a matter of fact don't let nothin' hold you back.
If the Scatman can do it brother so can you.
Yo I'm the Scatman.
Yeah, he's not a bad person
By all indications, he is everything a captain should be. Which makes this fiasco even worse.
He is certainly not the cretin the media make him out to be...
It will be interesting, in 20 years or so when all current players have retired from the game, to hear what stories people come out with about him in autobiographies etc. To my memory, aside from Wayne Bridge and Anton Ferdinand, whose problems with him stem from what’s been in the media, the only other players who have said bad stuff about him have been Carlos Tevez and Craig Bellamy.
What’s telling is that he’s never short of people fighting his corner.
and as if it needed to be said
Tevez and bellamy are two of the true gremlins of football. Tevez, who publicly cavorted his mistress on the plane out of argentina, criticizing terry = rich. Bellamy = LOLOL.
by dojothecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:20 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
* cavorted with
Never had to make that correction before lol
by dojothecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:21 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Never seen it...
….as an active verb before, but it works for me.
cavorting his mistress
Certainly sounds like something tevez would do.
by dojothecat on Feb 9, 2012 12:21 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Carlos Tevez is actually a gremlin by birth, so he gets a pass
I mean, have you seen his face? Ever? Oh my goodness.
I imagine that if either Tevez or Bellamy like you,
you’ve got problems
lol
Does that mean wayne bridge has problems? Well, yes I guess. Note to a footballer: don’t date someone who has already slept w half your teammates.
by dojothecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:32 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
You forgot Joey Barton
Another fine upstanding gentleman
I may not know much about life, but what I do know has taught me to believe in Chelsea.
by CanadianBlue on Feb 10, 2012 12:52 AM GMT up reply actions
Ahhh
I knew there was a big omission from my list of players I’d like to punch. Thank you for the reminder!
Sam Tillen
Is the son of my primary school or teacher, in fact I’ve played football with him, I figure that makes me pretty much mates with JT
by kl65 on Feb 8, 2012 10:27 PM GMT via mobile reply actions
great read
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
by White Lightning on Feb 8, 2012 10:40 PM GMT reply actions
Good read, and a good lesson
It is good to remember that these guys are all human. And I’ll say that I learned something from this. While I am not in favor of putting Terry on a stake or anything, I certainly didn’t think he sounded like a standup guy. But, I never thought him a bad human being. You’d have to do some pretty low things. Even players that I sort of personally detest based on what I know (or think I know) of them aren’t necessarily bad people. It’s too subjective. I suppose I should consider that, though, when I encourage booing of Ferdinand because of his very public opinions and arrogance.
Good on Terry, though.. it is nice to hear that he does a lot of the captain-y things. I didn’t really realize how involved in the lives of other players he is.
He's very involved...
he’s been known to sleep with some of their girlfriends etc and so on. Jut kidding, for what it’s worth i was under the impression that that particular shit storm ended with an apology from the newspapers in question, which suggests it may never have happened….
Ohhhh SNAP!
I left the door wide open on that one. (Don’t leave the door wide open with your wife home, though).
My favorite player since the first time I saw them play
You can clearly see that he is a natural born leader on the pitch. This just proves he is also one off it.













