So Let's Talk About Thibaut Courtois
In case you haven't noticed, one of Chelsea's summer signings is having himself a bit of a blinder down in Spain. Atletico Madrid's on-loan goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois is yet to concede a goal this year, having last let one through against Real Betis mid-December. It's not just statistics that have Courtois as superb - reports and visual evidence both indicate that the Blues have a top young goalkeeper on their hands.
Meanwhile, Manchester United's 21-year-old David de Gea is not having such a good year. The 21-year-old summer purchase, Juan Mata save aside, has looked shockingly low on confidence this year, and has suffered the indignity of becoming second choice at United behind something called an Anders Lindegaard. De Gea's looking pretty woeful on crosses and has made his fair share of basic errors - he's not been good, and his being dropped is well deserved.
Oh, and de Gea spent last season at Atletico as well. Why not do a compare and contrast between our next great number one and United's running joke?
Player A: 1.38 goals conceded per game, 0.34 goals conceded per shot.
Player B: 1.21 goals conceded per game, 0.23 goals conceded per shot.
Player A is of course Courtois, and B is de Gea. Wait a second. That looks weird! Shouldn't Courtois be beating the pants off de Gea here? Turns out that that's not happening. You can argue that the Atleti defence was pants before Diego Simeone came in, and that's fair enough, but a shot on Courtois is fifty percent more likely to end up in the back of the net than one against de Gea in the 2010/11 season.
Of course, we don't just care about statistics - Courtois is clearly putting in a very impressive performance this year, and most observers think he's absolutely superb. But most of those watching de Gea last year would have said much the same thing about him. He didn't even have flappycrossyitis last year (that said, I think Courtois is better at commanding the area than de Gea, who's since regressed in a big way, was last season).
The lack of success de Gea's had in English football so far is a warning about those hoping to push Courtois too fast and too hard. Like most, I think that both goalkeepers will turn out as excellent players in the long run, but de Gea's initial run is some pretty compelling evidence that we should let Courtois progress at his own pace. I know Petr Cech's been somewhat lacking lately, but that's no reason to move the kid along too quickly, no matter how phenomenal his record at Atletico.
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We should evaluate him at the end of the season. If we think he's ready for the PL, we
should loan him out to a promoted club for the season. If not, keep him at Atletico or maybe loan him to a more physical league (Bundesliga perhaps?).
I don't really think the physicality of the league is the issue
De Gea spoke next to no English at the time of his move and teamed up with a defense full of non-spanish speakers (Patrice Evra’s limited espanol aside). He’s looked lost in communicating with his defense a vast majority of the time, something Courtois has had a few mistakes with in Spain as well.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 6, 2012 10:29 PM GMT up reply actions
Courtois speaks English doesn't he?
My reasoning for sending him to a more physical league IF he isn’t ready for the Prem was to see how he handles crosses and set pieces, which is something the Spanish league isn’t known for.
I mean he looks good with crosses and set pieces in Spain, but so did De Gea if I’m not mistaken.
I don't really have any sort of stats to back that up
The keepers certainly get beat up on set pieces just as much in La Liga when they occur, so I don’t really feel there is that much to be gained from a PL loan that he wouldn’t get elsewhere. Players make successful transitions at that position all the time.
De Gea isn’t entirely to blame for his crossing and set piece issues, the United defense has been giving up an absolutely ridiculous amount of easy chances this year. They’ve had no sort of consistent lineup, and they are regularly starting 2-3 guys 22 or younger back there. Rio and Evra kind of suck all of a sudden and there is no shield in the central midfield for them. With all that in mind I can’t see it being easy to make decisions quickly as you just have no idea what to expect from the defenders in front of you. An experienced keeper would likely fare better in front of a patchwork defense than a 21 year old with language issues.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 6, 2012 10:43 PM GMT up reply actions
Set piece with Mata and Luiz yesterday, case in point
I mean, Luiz headed the ball, but it kind of did a side of the head thing and was going for the opposite direction it ended up going after it deflected off of Rio. And Evans was nice enough to put one past him in open play.
That said, I dunno if a loan in the PL is such a bad idea for a new keeper… Spain typically has a bit of a slower game, and sometimes the defenses vary, so it wouldn’t be so bad to get acquainted with the league, if Cech is still looking okay to do the job himself next year.
He's already asked if he can stay in Spain for another season.
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For your team's opponent!
Probably not that it matters, haha. Poor Atletico… always in Real’s shadow.
Yeah they're the red headed step child of Madrid, kinda like the Mets in New York.
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Yes yes
I was sad to learn recently that their rivalry is a little more political in nature than I had thought. I was happier believing it was just more of a class and social thing. That much politics in sports starts to weigh the game down for me (probably because I’m not big on politics). It’s part of the reason I dont pay much mind to Madrid v. Barca. I’ve a friend from Barcelona who is great and all, but sometimes he tries to get me to see the political nature of that rivalry, and it makes me want to just shout “Yeah? Well I like Valencia, so take that!”. Haha. I don’t know if I like Valencia, but I’ve chosen them as “my team” just for that purpose. The politics of Spain are not mine to get involved in.
Yeah me either..
…though I do write a few history pieces from time to time. And it was a crazy time back in the day. I try to really take the politics out of it too. Takes to much away from a game I enjoy watching/reading/writing.
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well, poo. those stats are a bit of a reality check.
i agree, we should give him a go at a promoted club like valens said.
Keep him at Atletico until
Summer 2013 then move him to an EPL team. Let him get used to the league here then bring him back when Petr Cech is leaving. Having two good goalkeepers never really works that well. Let him grow and blossom somewhere he’ll be the first choice. Otherwise he’ll only play for the reserves here.
De Gea's biggest weakness is Courtois' biggest strength.
He is a monster during set pieces and crosses.
And De Gea looks like some 12 year old schoolboy who is always having a cold, with his red nose, lol.Courtois looks as calm and composed as Van der Sar.
Both of their biggest strengths are probably the exact same trait
Unbelievable athleticism and reflexes. Both lack somewhat on crosses and positioning but make up for it with fantastic natural ability.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 6, 2012 10:33 PM GMT up reply actions
what do the stats look like
when you take out the two big losses to Madrid and Barca?
I was reading the paper earlier today
It had an interview with a Juan Castro, a journalist for Marca. He had the following things to say:
“He’s going to be unstoppable for Atletico”
“His level is currently just below Casillas and Valdes. I think he’s one of the best young goalkeepers in Europe. Courtois is the first name on the team sheet”
“Now he’s goalkeeping at such a high level, we expect Chelsea to call him back in the summer”
Sounds like he gets good reviews
That is amazingly promising
Well maybe giving him another stint in Spain is the way to go he’s clearly built a lot of confidence there!
Loaning him out to a Premiership team is a great idea
I haven’t seen much of the kid but the best scenario for us has to be loaning him out to a Premier league club next year. We have no real need for a change in net with Cech still more than adequate, but when the need arises its best he has all the experience in the league as possible.

















