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Off-Topic Thread No. 3 - Bob Saget Edition

In OT thread No. 2, we were talking about the English language, Bob Saget's filthy comedy, amazing science, illness, and rodents when we hit and ploughed through the 500 comment cap. Feel free to resume, and expand on, these discussions!

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You'd think when we started this thing we'd already be on OT thread #10 by now!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:09 PM GMT reply actions  

You can't run out of OT

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

That's it exactly!

Except let us refrain from getting all gossipy

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

Clearly.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

:cP

Ugh Kevin's here I hate that guy!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

Isn't he

a pile of rubbish

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

hm

He so is! I her he's a<a href="http://www.sbnation.com/users/Kevin%20McCauley" > Spurs fan!</a>

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

IT DIDN"T WORK!

SBN IS A PILE OF RUBBISH!

I meant to say I hear he's a spurs fan

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

I don't really hate them.

Then again, I like the combination of white and navy.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:20 PM GMT up reply actions  

You don't wanna throw their entire team

out of the window, down the train, down the bridge. That is maybe more than they deserve, and the beginning of true love in the eyes of others fans

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:23 PM GMT up reply actions  

I WAS RIGHT!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:26 PM GMT up reply actions  

And - not to forget

politics, religion and flirting is forbidden. Football goes to on topic threads. What is there left to talk about? This is all humankind is about!

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

Is that political?

That’s typically xenophobic in my eyes …

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:19 PM GMT up reply actions  

It reminds of my favourite ever line from The Simpsons.

Lisa’s meant to be at a model UN meeting, and Martin tells the Simpsons that she not. When they ask if he’s sure, he replies with, “To the extent that you can trust the word of a Belgian, yes!”

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:22 PM GMT up reply actions  

Oh! Martin is representing Belgium at the model UN.

He just rips into Belgians for no reason.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:24 PM GMT up reply actions  

Is that something like the

Epimenides – all Cretans are liars?

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:25 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's just random, mindless hate from an eight-year-old boy.

I don’t think Belgians are stereotypically distrustful.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

Since he is representing Belgians

Say if he’s Belgian himself and he says Belgians cannot be trusted it’s not so far away from Epimenides’ paradox

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

Speaking of...

I know this kid of German decent who once said something really funny/ignorant about the Dutch. haha

We were talking about something I don’t remember and we got onto the topic of Holland and I say (jokingly of course) “What have the Dutch ever contributed to society?” and he say “Yeah only Belgian waffles!” then everyone laughed

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:25 PM GMT up reply actions  

Speaking of...

I know this kid of German decent who once said something really funny/ignorant about the Dutch. haha

We were talking about something I don’t remember and we got onto the topic of Holland and I say (jokingly of course) “What have the Dutch ever contributed to society?” and he say “Yeah only Belgian waffles!” then everyone laughed

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:26 PM GMT up reply actions  

Regarding your first sentence

in that extent, it’s not surprising. Germans are like English.

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:29 PM GMT up reply actions  

I found his blind hate for the Dutch hilarious

also he thought that they were responsible for the belgian waffle

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

I found his blind hate for the Dutch hilarious

also he thought that they were responsible for the belgian waffle

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

Well, I do believe that waffles are more of a...

…Flemish thing, and the Flemings are basically Dutch, so he’s accidentally kind of right.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:32 PM GMT up reply actions  

:cO

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:33 PM GMT up reply actions  

:cO

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:33 PM GMT up reply actions  

Yes.

The Belgian or Brussels waffle was invented in Ghent, which is in Flanders, meaning Dutch-speakers created them. He was dickishly sort of right!

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

Don't you hate when that happens!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:39 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm annoyed to no end.

It’s sort of like the fact that “Dutch” comes from the German for “German” “Deutsch,” so the name “Pennsylvania Dutch” is almost fitting.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:41 PM GMT up reply actions  

so the Penn Dutch aren't really Dutch?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:45 PM GMT up reply actions  

Nope.

Germans.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

MIND BLOWN!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

You know

I didnt know this either. All I knew was that they’re mostly all Mennonites, from what I gather. Technically, that would make a good many of them German, but they could also come from Netherlands (the area of Germany where the Anabaptists are from is really near Holland) and possibly the Swiss. Unless… the bloodlines show that no one that was actually Dutch or Swiss came over. All I know is that they make delicious food!

by alynne4307 on Feb 21, 2012 5:58 PM GMT up reply actions  

The Pennsylvania Dutch are...

…in fact, descended from almost-exclusively German stock.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

what about the ones with "van"

in their names?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Are there any Pennsylvania Dutch...

…with van names?

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

I don't know

I remember reading about some in history .

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

Nope.

I checked. The P.D. are German with some Swiss. I’m sure there are Dutch people in Pennsylvania, but it’s a different thing entirely.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

That's intersting

so the “Dutch settlers” before the revolution were really Germans?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

They were Deutsch, and...

…that became Dutch.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

Unless you mean like the New Amsterdam...

…Dutch. They were real Dutch people.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:09 PM GMT up reply actions  

THat's what I meant I got confused I guess

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:10 PM GMT up reply actions  

I don't even know from where "Dutch"

comes from – we say Holland or Niederlande/Netherlands to them ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:47 PM GMT up reply actions  

It always confused me too

they have like a million different things they’re called.

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's because the Dutch are...

…basically weird Germans. Dutch is essentially the same word as Deutsch, just modified.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

Their language is kinda German, too

and when I read a manual for an electronic device once I came across a German word I never heard of: “Bewegtbild”. My dictionary doesn’t know it. Strangely, there was no English manual included. I took the Dutch one to see what that word could be – and strangely when I saw basically the same word in Dutch “bewegtes beeld” – I suddenly understood this was their word for “film” or “video” :P

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:51 PM GMT up reply actions  

Yes, of course

but that word doesn’t exist

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

Oops

nevermind my reply then… moving pictures surely didnt exist back in the Low German days!

by alynne4307 on Feb 21, 2012 6:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Maybe it was Low German?

The way I’ve understood it is that Low German, or the old standard language, is rather similar to Dutch and Scandinavian languages. Or at least the latter two had much of their foundation set in Low German. Hard to tell now, as it isn’t spoken very much these days. Most Germans can’t translate my last name as a result.

by alynne4307 on Feb 21, 2012 6:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

By the time Low German "died out"

so to speak there was no film and video, so I don’t think I’d get that word if I looked up at an Low German word table ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

I guess...

… It’s like how Canadians are just wierd Americans right?

I kid Ikid ;c)

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:52 PM GMT up reply actions  

The only in which Canadians are...

…different is that they refuse to admit they share a culture with the U.S.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:53 PM GMT up reply actions  

And the spell funny just like

the Britishers

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:55 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if it's blind hate

but Germans generally don’t have positive views of nearly everyone else in the world

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:33 PM GMT up reply actions  

is it special for the Dutch

my friend made it seem like it was

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:34 PM GMT up reply actions  

is it special for the Dutch

my friend made it seem like it was

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

No, it isn't

Germans just have the tendency to think they are more up to date, wealthier and better-educated than the rest of the world

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:48 PM GMT up reply actions  

Not just Germans

many Europeans do. Have you ever seen those maps that suggest what different nationalities or social groups think of the rest of the Europe or the world? They’re pretty funny.

I have a friend that is French AND Spanish. Makes for an interesting conversation with him, where there is even some self-hatred about it once in awhile. Or even in his support… He loves Barca and the French NT. I mean, that goes with political stuff, but he considers himself more French in a way, but mostly because of his desire to not be associated with Spain.

by alynne4307 on Feb 21, 2012 6:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

On that note

Many Americans do as well.. as many other nationalities.

by alynne4307 on Feb 21, 2012 6:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

Well, English speakers are the ones who started calling...

…German immigrants in Pennsylvania Dutch.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

Heh heh

No, just Kevin adjusted the time stamp so that it popped up at the top of the Fanshots list. :P

by DPeezy on Mar 10, 2012 8:42 PM GMT up reply actions  

THAT BASTARD

I JUST NOTICED IT

WHAT THE HELL

by cwel87 on Mar 10, 2012 8:48 PM GMT up reply actions  

Would not be surprising though ...

if it were true because we once managed to spam 800+ comments in an article in one night … and it wasn’t a gamethread of course! ;)

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by Maiev on Mar 10, 2012 8:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

To be fair, c. 300 of these comments were written in the first day it was up, so it's...

…not like we don’t love OT, as Maiev said. As for the time stamp thing, blame DPeezy! He was the one who bade me do it!

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by Kevin Kostka on Mar 11, 2012 4:00 AM GMT up reply actions  

I didn't mean this thread or the other OT threads

I meant that true epic thread where we kinda “forced” Graham to allow OT topics threads – if I remember correctly that was when an angry user came to attack one of your Torres reports and ended up inventing Charsenal

Ah and admit it! We can’t really love OT – we abandon it here and there :P

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by Maiev on Mar 11, 2012 11:46 AM GMT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was a fun one.

Mourinho showed up and got really hostile at my Torres Report, then a bunch of you defended it, and that defence developed into a chat thread. It was over 800 comments, I think. It also spilled over into your wallpapers thread, sponsored by Match.com. That’s when Graham realised we needed dedicated OT threads.

I agree, though, we do tend to throw OT out an awful lot for something we’re supposed to love. : D

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by Kevin Kostka on Mar 11, 2012 7:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's also worth noting that clearly I shall not be posting here and forth

because that thread is titled with a person I know nothing about, LOL ignorant me :D

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:18 PM GMT reply actions  

I'm not sure which is better.

That you’re not familiar with Danny Tanner and the show Full House, or that you’re not familiar with the actor who played him’s disgusting stand up material.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:23 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm not familiar with American popular / mainstream culture at all

well, not even really with European … BUT at least the papers report about European stuff more ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:24 PM GMT up reply actions  

I wonder how you get internet from behind the moon

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:27 PM GMT up reply actions  

I wonder how you get internet from behind the moon

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:27 PM GMT up reply actions  

I do - and proud of it! :D

But at least I read papers. But the paper I fancy has a large feuilleton section, but features rarely anything you’re talking about

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:32 PM GMT up reply actions  

what is that?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

Italian.

I’m asking what a “feuilleton” is.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:37 PM GMT up reply actions  

ok cool

new rule: English please!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:40 PM GMT up reply actions  

Exactly, and my dictionary even knows it

blah, there you see, I can’t know about American TV (???) culture when all I read is traditional feuilleton

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

Oh, and back on the topic of my being able to adapt to German-speaking countries...

…I have to exclude Switzerland. What the hell happened there? They speak a really gross, crazy form of German.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:44 PM GMT reply actions  

Everytime I open up Swiss television and listen to them

I have to ask myself what language that is

It’s really amazing!

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's just gross.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's kind of like with Dutch/Nederlands, though.

It’s just a silly, mutated version of German.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:52 PM GMT up reply actions  

You mean Rhaeto-Romance I think

not Swiss German

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

I believe so...

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

riiight

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:10 PM GMT up reply actions  

Gruezi!

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:52 PM GMT up reply actions  

What if we have Swiss readers Kevin!?

Don’t offend them!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:53 PM GMT up reply actions  

She's right.

It’s very distinctive. Oddly, they use proper German in writing and on the news, but they speak something else entirely.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:55 PM GMT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say they use proper German German in writing

there are some words that … we don’t use :D

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:56 PM GMT up reply actions  

Wait

The Swiss write?

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:58 PM GMT up reply actions  

Seriously, they call a cheesecake...

…Chäs-Chüechli instead of Käsekuchen.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 5:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

That would be an example

where how they speak is easier than how they write. You’d pronounce it Käs-Küchli :P

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

But due to Angloamerican influence

I bet it’s only a matter of time till no young German says “Käsekuchen” anymore, they have all grown up with “Cheesecake” they know from various American shops

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

Entschuldigen Sie bitte...

…haben Sie ein Cheesecake?

As if the Sie form will actually persist through the next hundred years. : P

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:07 PM GMT up reply actions  

Nobody will ask that!

Imagine you’re in a cakeshop version of McDonald. Or even in McDonald (they have cheesecake too … and it’s labelled as cheesecake, not as Käsekuchen). Then you say “ein cheesecake” like you would say “a Bic Mac” ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

If it were an emergency

I’d go more than ever to one of the American related shops, and not the traditional German cakeshops where the man/woman behind the bar could take hours to sell you what you want

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

Also, I know there's nothing Germans hate more than...

…English words invading the language.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hm can't say I'd agree with that

the older generation don’t like it, that’s for sure, but the younger ones … it might amuse you for example that there is no proper German word for “mobile phone” (and no, thy don’t use mobile phone or any word the English use)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:17 PM GMT up reply actions  

Not even Handy?

It’s the most camp word ever.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

I have never heard an English speaking person

saying “Handy” when referring to their mobile phone …

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

me neither

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:19 PM GMT up reply actions  

Of course not, but isn't it the most used...

…German word for it?

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:19 PM GMT up reply actions  

Stephen Fry on QI doing "Handy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WIscxut_ak

Might be a little bit culturally insensitive. : )

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:22 PM GMT up reply actions  

You can join us Mr. DPeezy!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 5:56 PM GMT up reply actions  

I feel insulted being called a kid

I’m an old person!

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 5:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

Don't insult the actually old people...

by saying you’re old!

I apologize on her behalf Mr DPeezy continue reclining in your rocking chair and don’t let those kids tread on your lawn. :c)

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

Wait YOU brought up the "old people"

when talking about my age! :D

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Did I?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

Alright... you kids have fun

I’ve got to attempt to do some work today. Go Chelsea!

by alynne4307 on Feb 21, 2012 6:11 PM GMT reply actions  

I just noticed by looking at the list of authors

that every name in the next row grows longer … it looks kinda funny ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:12 PM GMT reply actions  

As we've practised German

I need to fresh up my knowledge of English a bit more – what was the correct use of if clauses?

If we win this game today, I will dance a jig
If we won this game today, I would dance a jig
If we had won this game last week, I would have danced a jig

Correct?

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:24 PM GMT reply actions  

Actually, wait.

The second is a little odd.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:26 PM GMT up reply actions  

I think it's the use of "this" that's weird...

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:27 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm not sure which tense is intended for the second.

And for the third, “…had won THE game last week…” is more natural.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

yeah THE would be the best

you can tell it’s past because she said “won”

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

"That" is also just as acceptable.

Actually the whole “game” part is unnecessary. “If we win today…” is fine.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:34 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's past tense + Conditional I

and at school I learned that it wasn’t use for the past (that would be the third) but for theoretical things. But of course many, if not most things you learn at schools aren’t correct, so I’d not take that for granted

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:33 PM GMT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the one we don't really use.

“Were we to win today, I would dance a jig” is probably closest.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

I can too!

How many weird things in German are there that nobody does any more? Genitive case? Does anyone use it regularly any more? It’s all von this and von that now[, or so I was told]! : )

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:42 PM GMT up reply actions  

Lawyers still use genitive ...

because that makes sentences so weird that nobody understands them anymore. Unless you want to become a lawyer and write stuff like that – no, you don’t need to know how the genitive works ( most Germans don’t either)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:44 PM GMT up reply actions  

Nur bei Grün der Kinder wegen

sounds easy to you? OK maybe for foreigners … but any “normally thinking” German would tell you that sentence was wrong

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:48 PM GMT up reply actions  

I have no idea what that means, but...

…I never said it was practical. I just said it was easy. The rules are really simple, even if you never use them.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:54 PM GMT up reply actions  

It means you shall only cross the street

once the traffic lights turn green because of the children – and “der Kinder wegen” is a perfect genitive, but … yeah … if you want people to understand that stuff that is hanging on every post of a traffic light then you should try better ;)

(I have to add not every city has stupid sign that though)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:56 PM GMT up reply actions  

Before you come visiting Germany one day

don’t see that sign and blame me that I lied :P

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

I did forget about the genitive prepositions!

The rules are still pretty easy, though.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

Then you're fitter

than most Germans in their own language

(Now I’d be proud if there was a thing in English I know but English native speakers don’t – haha!)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 7:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm sure there are plenty.

Germans tend to use “who” and “whom” more than we do. We tend to use “that” for both people and objects. It creeps Germans out, just like passing in the right lane of a freeway. It’s not illegal to pass on the right here, but it’s still a bad move, so we hate it too.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:07 PM GMT up reply actions  

There was the option to take German when I was in middle school

I didn’t do it lol my reasoning “what would I look like trying to learn German!” lol

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:44 PM GMT up reply actions  

Stupid?

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:45 PM GMT up reply actions  

probably also I thought when would I ever need German

so I took Spanish

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:46 PM GMT up reply actions  

When shopping in German supermarkets

It’s amazing how often I play translator in supermarkets :D

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:48 PM GMT up reply actions  

Why would you have to do that?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

Why would you have to do that?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

We have many tourists where I live

who don’t speak German (well you never need it!) and when they buy things in supermarkets they often don’t know where to find what they are looking for and the supermarket staff most consist of people who don’t speak English … or at least not enough to converse with those people

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:51 PM GMT up reply actions  

I would find it easy. What vocabulary I have left...

…is full of food words.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 6:56 PM GMT up reply actions  

Oh so?

:Come visit Germany

We have cookies!

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

Perhaps easy is an overstatement.

Easier, perhaps. I know what things are by sight, and have no trouble wandering around like a dick in search of something. Plus, how different can supermarkets be? I think the general layout tends to be pretty universal.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

Yeah, true, but

some tourists look for quite “exotic” things like scissors, knives, insoles or chewing gums … all not easy to find in many supermarkets … (in case you’re wondering why chewing gum is difficult to find: they are mostly at the exit)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 7:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

Weird, because chewing gum is...

…always by the tills, so you make impulse buys. Same with chocolate bars and such.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

To be honest, I think a lot of people...

…struggle with supermarkets no matter the language. : P

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:09 PM GMT up reply actions  

Struggle?

OK, to be fair I struggle with supermarkets too … but mostly because I find their range of goods quite limited. Special food shops and markets have a broader range … BUT everytime I leave them my purse cries to me

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 7:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

Some people get lost...

… and don’t get how they’re organised.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

That can't happen in German supermarkets

I guess German supermarkets are the size of an American living room ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 7:17 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm so sorry :cP

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:42 PM GMT up reply actions  

I think you'd say If we had won that game if it was in the past...

…unless it’s the same fixture.

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:26 PM GMT up reply actions  

This thread will be full by the end of the day if we keep at this.

But I really need to work on a speech but I’ve changed my topic like 5 or 6 times :cP

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 6:55 PM GMT reply actions  

Multitasking is pretty cool

I write here, cook, and write on my doctorate simultaneously – and some time later even adding a football match :P

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 6:58 PM GMT up reply actions  

I do that sometimes too

except I don’t have a doctorate to write…

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 7:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

I want to speak about the NLD it's topical :cP

people in my class are going to think I’m a soccer nerd. My first speech was a tribute to TH14. haha

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 7:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

NLD?

I’m being totally thick on that one.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

North London Derby

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 7:07 PM GMT up reply actions  

I figure I'll be easy to talk about it for 6-10 minutes

the tough part will be collecting sources to cite.

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 7:09 PM GMT up reply actions  

That's easy.

You can explain the history, emotion, and drama in it.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

Zactly!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 7:12 PM GMT up reply actions  

When I googled it

the first result I got on google.de was “Niedersächsisches Landesamt für Denkmalpflege”

Federal agency for monument conservation Northern Saxony

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 7:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

Interesting

I think that’ll be my new topic!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 7:13 PM GMT up reply actions  

Oh and sorry for adding confusion

but Niedersachsen isn’t Northern Saxony … it’s Lower Saxony. Ashes on my head!

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 7:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

Booo on you!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 7:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

Tsk.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 21, 2012 7:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

Yeah I guess I shouldn't do that everyday ...

but who knows … regarding whatever result we might get today and whatever jerks come visiting the gamethreads I might be gone from the window by tomorrow, so we’ll see :P

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by Maiev on Feb 21, 2012 7:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

oh :cP

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 21, 2012 7:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

Wow....You seem to be smarter than I earlier thought :p

Btw even I want to do doctorate…haven’t selected any topic…maybe you can help me out.
I have completed MBA in marketing so I am looking for a sports/football marketing kinda topic.

by Rohi D on Feb 22, 2012 2:38 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow....You seem to be smarter than I earlier thought :p

Btw even I want to do doctorate…haven’t selected any topic…maybe you can help me out.
I have completed MBA in marketing so I am looking for a sports/football marketing kinda topic.

by Rohi D on Feb 22, 2012 2:38 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Thank you for all your honesty ...

now at least I know you previously thought I was dumb, hehe :P

Now regarding your topic: I don’t know about the academic system in your country and it depends much on it for later job opportunities and such, but for most European countries as far as I can say you could be wasting time with a doctorate because that degree won’t give you much in that business. But as I said – that might vary where you are

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by Maiev on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

Has anyone here been to Norway?

A good friend of mine and I are both planning on going this summer. We’re both heavily Norwegian in our bloodlines and want to go. If anyone has been there I would love to know what you thought about it.

by Kjell on Feb 21, 2012 11:53 PM GMT reply actions  

Yes, but not for a long time

It’s really beautiful. I wasn’t a huge fan of Oslo but Bergan was fantastic. It’s also very expensive

by Graham MacAree on Feb 22, 2012 12:03 AM GMT up reply actions  

I've heard about it's beauty and how expensive it is.

Luckily we aren’t planning on going to Oslo, we are wanting to go to the slightly more northern coast cities. Molde and Aelesunds are really where we want to go. When were you there?

by Kjell on Feb 22, 2012 1:26 AM GMT up reply actions  

Haven't been

but you should definitely try to get to some of the hiking around the fjords if you’re an outdoors type. I imagine it would be really neat to camp there.

My plan is to return to Iceland and camp my way around the country for 2 weeks… would be really neat to do that sort of think up the coast of Norway’s fjords too:
http://www.visitnorway.com/en/What-to-do/Active-holiday/Hiking-in-Norway/Hiking-destination/

by alynne4307 on Feb 22, 2012 4:38 AM GMT up reply actions  

Why not just come to Western Wisconsin/Eastern Minnesota?

It’s pretty much the same. : P

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 22, 2012 5:58 PM GMT up reply actions  

And oh - we're still posting here after a defeat

my, my, impressive. But I really can’t keep up anymore ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 22, 2012 12:07 AM GMT reply actions  

I think you contributed enough :c)

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 AM GMT up reply actions  

Umm

This happened: http://theoriginalwinger.com/2012-02-21-kick-in-the-mix-pepsi-max-2012-football-campaign#more-104463

Just realized that Chelsea make up a decent portion of the Pepsi crew, these days. The running joke is that this looks like a new boy band. Justin Bieber… eat your heart out.

by alynne4307 on Feb 22, 2012 5:49 AM GMT reply actions  

And

In the event you were searching for a higher quality version of that picture:
http://www.offthepost.info/wp-content/uploads/Pepsi-2012-Torres-Lampard-Wilshere-Drogba.jpg

Shite – look at Drogba and Lampard doing the damned modeling thing! Looking all badass ;)

by alynne4307 on Feb 22, 2012 6:01 AM GMT up reply actions  

My first thought was "WTF Pepsi?!"

My second thought: Oh yeah Maiev you retard, 2012 is a Euros year, so there will be a Pepsi ad again … and woah – I wouldn’t have guessed Drogba, Lampard and Torres (special grin) would still be hired whilst Kaka (still featured 2010 campaign) was left out! But yeah, Lampard and Torres in one ad will near definitively convince me buying every shit, so watch out …

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by Maiev on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM GMT up reply actions  

Kaka

may no longer be sponsored by them? Not sure. There are some others from the old days not really included any longer, but Drogba, Lampard, and Torres have been around for awhile. Only I remember when Torres was the baby of the group… not Wilshere. Funny, that change. They had to get some young guys though, to better identify with “the youth”. Can’t believe they didn’t lob off more of the older guys and go a lot younger. Maybe the others have contracts with Coke?

by alynne4307 on Feb 22, 2012 6:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

No idea, really

Kaka had a cool scene in that 2010 spot, so I remembered him. And Frank Lampard and Torres I expected to drop out this year. There’s a chance Torres will not feature in the Euros at all, so taking him before that competition seems … unwise to me.

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by Maiev on Feb 22, 2012 7:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

True

Though I am not sure the campaign is completely attached to the Euros. They did some singular spots with Torres and some comedy thing last year when there weren’t any competitions, and pretty shortly after he switched to Chelsea. But… I am just more surprised they used him, being that he hasn’t been playing well. However… maybe they figure using him ensures sales to the fangirls or something. Who knows?

by alynne4307 on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

How ironic is all this fuss over players who sponsor a product they're...

…probably not allowed to use. : )

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 23, 2012 3:57 AM GMT up reply actions  

Ha... I did ponder that

funny enough. I was wondering if they were even really allowed to drink it… as I sipped on my ice cold and refreshing Pepsi at the office today (Pepsi- I’m hear to take over their sponsorship deals and dollars if needed).

My favorite is when the club uses different sponsors than the players for things… I’ve read that Torres almost got dropped by Pepsi because Atletico used Coca Cola and had the products out at press conferences, and he was often seen drinking them. Not sure if rules surrounding endorsement are the same abroad as they are in the US? I do not remember that part of my marketing class. Maybe there is a distinction between just a sponsorship deal and when it is actually be endorsed as a product?

Or, kits being done by Adidas, when the club’s captain is an Umbro guy ;) Common, but still a little funny.

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 4:14 AM GMT up reply actions  

Amazingly...

…we have like three players who have adidas boot deals. Cech, Lampard, LUKAKU, and Kalou Most of the rest are Nike or Umbro, which is a Nike subsidiary. Branko, Ash, DL, Ess, Oreo, Rambo, Nando, Mata, Drogba, Mikel, FloMo, Raul, Bossman, Paulo, Josh, Danny*, and Bertrand* are Nike and JT and Gary are Umbro. Turnbull and Hilario may or may not be Puma. [*Danny and Ryan have switched in the past including this season.]

It’s amazing how much I know about this, and that I know our brand ratio is way out of whack.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 23, 2012 11:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

1+1+1+1

I believe that’s 4, but I’ve been wrong before.

by DPeezy on Feb 24, 2012 1:23 AM GMT up reply actions  

Four is "like three"

close enough, eh?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 24, 2012 1:25 AM GMT up reply actions  

You're forgiven

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 24, 2012 2:19 AM GMT up reply actions  

Are they all deals?

Or do some of them just bu whatever? I figure that is the only way you are probably allowed to switch back and forth, no? I figured it was only really the big boys that got the deals of it.

by alynne4307 on Feb 24, 2012 1:42 AM GMT up reply actions  

I'm not sure exactly.

Most probably have deals, but those that have swapped might too. Contracts expire mid-season quite a lot, so they either find a new brand deal, or play around for a while before renewing.

In any case, we have almost all Nike players, which is odd.

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 24, 2012 2:12 AM GMT up reply actions  

There'sa team in La Liga

I forget which whose shirt sponsor is Burger King. I find that hilarious!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 23, 2012 12:19 PM GMT up reply actions  

GETAFE!

They have the greatest commercials I have ever seen. One says that they are losing fans so Getafe fans should donate sperm so there would be more offspring that should (genetically they claim, haha) lean towards liking Getafe.

by Kjell on Feb 23, 2012 7:41 PM GMT up reply actions  

Yes they do.

Koala is my name, misery my surname.

They are my favorite Spanish side because of those commercials.

by Kjell on Feb 23, 2012 9:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

That commercial confused me sooo much

Loved the fact that it had girl on girl action that suddenly turned into girl on guy action. The things marketers will do to sell something :) I was sort of surprised that they could get away with that, but I think I have this weird idea in my head that Spain is more conservative than it probably is.

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 8:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

Not to mention...

it wasnt just sperm donation… it was like drugging the water supply to make girls horny… crazy but funny.

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 8:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

Since they had Didier Drogba and Agüero onboard

I believe this spot has nothing to do with the Euros. However if I remember correctly the 2008 spot featured Ronaldinho too who doesn’t play in the Euros either.

Regarding the fangirls – what effect would that have now? Even El Corte Ingles don’t “use” him anymore. At least not last year when I was in Portugal. I will check this next month though

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 9:52 AM GMT up reply actions  

He's not prominent with El Corte Ingles now

He did just do an event with them and Nike back in September for his T90s. But he isn’t the hot topic right now, so they wouldn’t use him with any sort of regularity.

The fangirls will buy products with his face on it regardless of how he has been playing. I mean… he clearly isn’t a part of the Pepsi campaign based on performance!

Have fun in Portugal! (sounds like you are returning there?)

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 2:40 PM GMT up reply actions  

Eh no unfortunately not

I will go to Barcelona this year … yeah it’s really true … and more strangely so it will be during my birthday … haha! :D El Corte Ingles is marked on my map – so I will time to check

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 3:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ah and by the way

Is it coincidence that Torres is … well … always wearing grey hooded sweaters? You see him often wearing this

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by Maiev on Feb 22, 2012 10:44 AM GMT up reply actions  

Who is that guy in the back to the right of Frank?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 22, 2012 12:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

lol

I was wondering why I didn’t recognize him.

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 22, 2012 5:19 PM GMT up reply actions  

He does...

he also wears what his sponsors give him, most of the time. He has mostly no fashion sense. He wears lots of free Nike and El Corte Ingles gear, lol. Wears his Chelsea outfits out and about sometimes. Maybe he likes earth tones lately, hahaha.

That said.. this is the least brightly colored Pepsi ad I think I have seen. Usually they have much more awful clothes to wear. I am really scared of the rest of this ad campaign though. Something about dance music and this group of guys… I just don’t see it going anywhere but cheesy.

by alynne4307 on Feb 22, 2012 7:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

The stuff El Corte Ingles give him

seem to be more way “prettier” and fashionable than all those uniform grey hoods … I mean how come someone like Torres who is obviously so much in love with his own looks has such a terrible sense of fashion? Look at him when he signed the Chelsea contract … or just recently, during that Chelsea TV interview. My gosh. There’s no way how you could dress yourself like this if you had any sense about “basic rules”. Or, Torres does break them deliberately … meh

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by Maiev on Feb 22, 2012 7:33 PM GMT up reply actions  

Correction!

Insecure with his own looks, is probably the better way to put it. ;)

My brother works in the fashion industry… he works with a lot of people that can actually be pretty homely, until a stylist comes along and does them up nicely. They wouldn’t know what to put on their bodies if someone didn’t hand it to them. I don’t mind the hoodies and stuff- they’re regular clothes, which I find much better than whatever shiny thing someone like CR7 can be found in (shudder- can we tell that I just dont like that guy?). I found it funny that he wore his Chelsea dress pants to the Chelsea TV thing, though. And the shirt underneath the hoodie was Chelsea or El Corte Ingles. I notice too many stupid details sometimes.

Besides… did you see what Terry wore to the Friday Night Live thing recently? Ugh… that scarf with the shiny stuff… someone should have told him that trend was from 2-3 years ago. Same goes for Danny and his trucker hats. Frank dresses pretty well, from what I’ve seen.. a little on the snazzier side, though.

by alynne4307 on Feb 22, 2012 11:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

I would also find it strange

if Torres was insecure about his looks. I didn’t follow Torres during his early years, but thankfully there are still pictures taken of him at that time and to me, even in his teenager years he is pretty aware of his looks and cares much. This is even reflected the way how he looks and poses in front of a camera. He isn’t shy or unsure or feeling awkward at all, even not in some stranger positions. People who care about their own looks are mostly very sure about their style.

Besides this – I think JT and Frank dress themselves very nicely most of the time. Yes, they grape at the closet (I know you don’t say that in English) sometimes, but more generally they wear things suiting them.

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 9:59 AM GMT up reply actions  

I may read into it a bit much

but as someone that is insecure about physical appearance myself, you’ll find that many people that seem sure of themselves, generally are the opposite. Many celebrities and models are like this. His hair-fixing is a nervous habit, and even the need to feel primped and spending a lot of time in front of the mirror leans towards being worried about one’s looks, more than it suggests comfort and a love for them (though some folks do like to just gaze at themselves in the mirror). It’s that whole desire to look perfect but never really feeling it… never being happy with it.

Funny you should mention his poses and things… I find him to be a rather awkward model a lot of the time. He does alright, but he isn’t particularly natural at certain types of modeling. He does better with the less “artsy” things… the more straightforward “I am modeling a suit” sorts of things. Throw him into a Pepe Jeans ad with a girl that is taller than him in heels (that was a truly bizarre ad though- not good), and he looks a bit lost and not like he really fits in.

JT, to me, tries to dress too young for his age some of the time. Frank looks more age appropriate. Juan dresses pretty well, from what I’ve seen. Not sure about some of the others… I havent seen a lot of footage of the rest of the Chelsea boys in regular clothing.

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 2:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm really unfamiliar with the fashion business

so all I can is judge from my artistic point of view (and I think I do have some understanding of poses ;)). It might not valid though, but I have the impression he enjoys being in the focus of cameras quite a lot. There are photos especially from his younger days on which most non-trained models or actors would look hilarious if not ridiculous, but he looks pretty fine on them. The more professional shots of him in non-sportswear ads are sometimes awkward, but I blame more the background and the hairstyle rather his own incompetence. The Vogue set of photos look fairly professional to me … of course they are shopped, and heavily shopped. That’s plain to see even for the untrained eye. But being a skilled photohopper myself I think you cannot change a photo to that a degree without partly repainting the picture yourself.

And regarding style and how to dress yourself. I think there is a difference between choosing things to wear in which you look good AND choose a style yourself. In the ideal sense, you should combine both – choose a unique style for yourself in which you look good in and suit your figure and your personality. For us all ordinary people it’s often difficult enough to choose clothes in which we look – but there are some easy basic rules guiding us. But Torres as a public person and one who seemingly cares about he appears on prints and screens, of course should choose a style that looks … well … for a girl you’d say “chic” (don’t know if you could say that of guys, too). To my eye, what we usually wears doesn’t look that at all ;)

JT often wears the same English-style-things Steven Gerrard wears. V-neck wool and the classical shirt underneath. A nearly academic look, but nothing very special

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 3:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ahh

I’ve been seeing JT in some other things lately…
I cannot find the photos of him in his friday night live outfit, but it was.. not good. And then he was at some fashion awards thing or something recently wearing the tight white dress shirt and tie with black jeans and converse thing. That was a style… a couple of years ago. :)

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 5:23 PM GMT up reply actions  

ROFL

Hereford, Hereford, Hereford. Jeremy Cook, BBC News, Hereford.

Cassetteboy, you’re a genius.

by DPeezy on Feb 22, 2012 10:44 PM GMT up reply actions  

I liked this one

that someone mentioned in the YT comments:

“He” "has “his” “own” “dick” “up” "his" “ass.”

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 2:59 AM GMT up reply actions  

Follow up on Adonis v. Apollo (continued convo from thread #2)

In an art and sculpture sense, yes… there wouldn’t really be any difference between the characters. Not even sure there are Adonis statues out there. Based on the literature, Adonis was known for being particularly beautiful and youthful, and fought over by Aphrodite and… Persephone (I think). And for some reason, the phrase “Adonis belt” applies to guys hips (when they are pretty well-defined… as is the case with many footballers, what with all that kicking about). In my head, I guess that just equates to a Torres type of guy… or Jake Gyllenhaal (very different looking, but still very pretty-faced despite being fit).

When it comes to the sculptures of Greek Gods and such, I suppose they really all look the same, in many ways. The “Adonis belt” exists on most all the male statues as an ideal trait (similarly to how females were often portrayed with a little bit of a belly… funny how that one changed over time, haha).

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 AM GMT reply actions  

Hmm

I guess there are quite a few Adonis statues (a number of them involving Aphrodite):
http://westernhumanities101.pbworks.com/f/Apollo%2010.jpg

I kinda like the drama of this one, though:
http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/files/2011/08/venus_adonis_overall.jpg

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 1:19 AM GMT up reply actions  

Oh!

and stuff that Wikipedia teaches me (even though it may not be accurate)… apparently and Adonis belt can be called an Apollo’s belt, too! Maybe those two are much more alike than I’d have thought.

And the lone statue below… that one is labeled as being Apollo in some other locations. Now I am all confused. Especially because one story suggests that Apollo killed Adonis. I cannot remember my Greek mythology worth a damn, I guess.

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 2:37 AM GMT up reply actions  

That's exactly the reason why talking about Art and modelling and images

I prefer the art historian’s approach rather than the stories out from the mythology because in mythology, because it’s difficult to derive proper teachings of aesthetics from mythology; their cults refer stronger to character traits rather than beauty itself. While beauty often plays an important, it is never done so in an aesthetic sense. The paradigmatic example what I try to express would be the beginning of Troy: Paris doesn’t choose Aphrodite out of Athena, her and Hera because he is really convinced she is the most beautiful, but because she promises him Helena. Most stories from Greek mythology around beauty and beautiful people are set up and played out the same way. That’s why I find it easier to refer to art history rather than original mythology when talking about beauty in art.

(Endnote: Damn it’s really difficult to say those things in an unfamiliar language. I hope I could have said some things at least that made sense)

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 10:09 AM GMT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying

I guess my trust of the story from art comes even less so, though. Being that they are based on artist interpretation, I suppose they could be just as wayward as the stories and myths themselves. And some art history stretches the interpretations to fit their whims (the recent Degas exhibit I saw was a perfect example of someone suggesting what the artist was after, and it could have been complete BS).

Guess I just associate the whole idea of male beauty and eternal youth with Adonis, more so than Apollo, but most all the statues of Greek Gods look the same, so it could be interchangeable :)

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 2:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

A popular approach to

interpret Classical Art doesn’t focus on the mythology themselves. This is reserved for literature research, or philosophy. Art history of Ancient God statues does not specifically focus on the mythological part (in a sense they don’t look so much on how a certain character is portrayed in mythology and how the artist interpreted certain character traits shown in diverse works). The stories of mythology which involve love and beauty go always into the erotic part; now erotic in the dramas and stories is a completely different concept than erotic in (Greek, Platonic) philosophy. Plato’s concept of beauty was intellectual, while the the role of beauty in the mythology is rather entirely sensual.

Of course modern (by modern I mean the 18. century) art interpretations look for a more sensual, erotic approach, but they cannot completely break apart from the intellectual interlink. This is more down to the reception of beauty in philosophy; for beauty to be more than an embodiment in a material world (and an artwork is that, more or less) you need to transfer beauty as an idea, an ideal, or something that can only grasped by intellect.

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 3:32 PM GMT up reply actions  

You know what is funny?

Could you imagine if we really were the same person.. and carrying on this conversation? And even some of our past conversations. That would be some crazy multiple personality disorder kind of stuff!

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 6:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Errr ... why?

I’m not even really presenting an opinion, just give reasons why I think when we discuss about what a statue should look like and which style it is to adopt (classical, post-modern, abstract, whatever) we should be referring to Art history and not mythology … it’s not I try to convince you or anyone that Apoll is better or worse than Adonis

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 6:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

Noo..

Sorry, not what I meant to suggest! I should clarify- I don’t mean to make it sound as though we’re arguing or convincing one another or anything… just as much as we just sort of have conversations with differing viewpoints or things to offer and we can manage to carry them on for awhile… if we were one person, that would be pretty weird. :)

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 7:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

Oh, that's what you meant

but OK – having a “conversation” with differing viewpoints is something I can manage myself alone fairly well … I work in an area where I have to work with presenting, dissecting and countering arguments and that part is also essential for my dissertation … so if I were to do that I would have no problem faking I was talking with another person ;)

But who knows I’m a team of 7 guys and 4 girls and 11 people seem to manage a lot (unless they’re wearing blue shirts and chasing a sphere-shaped figure over green grass – in that case they don’t accomplish a lot of things currently)

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 7:47 PM GMT up reply actions  

You just want to perpetuate the idea of us

being the same person ;)

I can live with that. It’s pretty awesome that I have 2 separate birthdays. :) I wonder if I can convince my friends here of that… then I can get double the presents!

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 9:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

That's not so difficult!

I will share the day and month of my birthday with you, then we’re born on the same day like Fernando Torres. Great deal :D

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 9:48 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hey oldies :p

Need some advice
Please suggest something good to gift to a girl..please….

by RamStamford on Feb 23, 2012 5:00 PM GMT via mobile reply actions  

Awwww :c)

What does she like? What’s the occasion?

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 23, 2012 5:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

1st anniversary day after tomorrow :)

I have given chocolates,bouquets et al.
Wanna give something that will leave a mark :)

by RamStamford on Feb 23, 2012 5:28 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Are you taking her out?

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 23, 2012 5:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

I was going to say take her somewhere special :cP

Girls like shiny things :c) lol

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 23, 2012 5:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

Leave a mark?

Well…ok…

Jokes!

by DPeezy on Feb 23, 2012 5:36 PM GMT up reply actions   1 recs

In all seriousness, I have no idea.

I don’t remember what we did on our first “dating” anniversary. I think I actually may have been travelling (business) and been out of the country. On our first wedding anniversary, we went back to where we got married.

It should come naturally to you (how to celebrate), if it’s a good relationship. :P

Can’t go wrong with flowers, chocolate, and a nice dinner. Or stay in, cook a nice dinner and rent a movie.

by DPeezy on Feb 23, 2012 5:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

16 yr olds cant just stay in :p

She’s a Dion fan,I’m thinking of Dion perfume set,on a short coffee date

by RamStamford on Feb 23, 2012 6:00 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmm

Depends on the girl… some girls like jewelry, others treats…

I think experience types of gifts are pretty neat. Like maybe a cooking or art class or something like that? You could do that together… those things are nice.

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 6:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

A class

was just a suggestion… you’ll know better than we would what your girlfriend may be interested in. It doesn’t always have to cost money. Or at least not a lot.

Example… I love wine. LOVE it. A friend of mine knew this and for my birthday a couple of years ago, we went to a vineyard for a wine tasting (over here it costs about 5 dollars, some are more pricey though). We then bought a wine and then decided to cook a dinner we together that we thought would compliment the wine. Fun experience. Didn’t cost a ton maybe $40 (depending on how much wine and what kind of food you go for). That could be a lot for some folks, I suppose. Also.. if you are super young and underage… I am not condoning that you go drinking, haha. Just use this as a template for something that she enjoys, maybe… .coffee or chocolate or something.

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 7:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'd definitively know

if I were to get a present for you, I’d get Torres wine (and not telling you it was actually Catalan), remove the label (well at least the uninteresting part where it tells you it was Catalan) and glue on Torres’ s-shaped figure, adorned with roses and wine leaves

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 7:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'd illustrate that "creation" if I had the time

but currently I’m too lazy to even touch my pen and tablet. I’m sorry …

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 7:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hahahha

This sounds so American Beauty:

But better.. .because it involves wine. And naked footballers.

Reminds me of my favorite auto-correction typo on my phone yet. The other day I was telling my friend (who also enjoys football and gets to hear about Torres butt all the time) that I needed “full body spanks”. Spanks, for those that dont know, are undergarments that try to hide any fat, and I needed them for a dress I planned to wear. My phone auto-corrected it to “full body Spanish”. I couldn’t tell if it was suggesting to her that I needed a Torres of my own, or if I just needed a full body Spanish wine. Either would be nice :)

by alynne4307 on Feb 23, 2012 9:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

Nah, it won't look near that anyway ...

A bed of roses is boring. Only some single flowers. And wine leaves! Don’t forget them! They add colour and contrast! And of course – my illustration will never cover the most interesting parts. That’s simply a sin. Could you imagine Apollo (the statue we discussed earlier) to be … covered?! What of the Venus of Milo if she were … covered? See :D

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by Maiev on Feb 23, 2012 9:52 PM GMT up reply actions  

yeah only I'm not an "oldie" lol

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 24, 2012 1:23 AM GMT up reply actions  

I'm only 18 kid :cP

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 24, 2012 12:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

Oopsies

I thought 25-28
Ok,you aren’t an oldie :)
But I’m sure the others are :P

by RamStamford on Feb 24, 2012 1:27 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh wow!

You thought I was THAT old!? :cP

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 24, 2012 1:51 PM GMT up reply actions  

's ok

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 24, 2012 4:24 PM GMT up reply actions  

Don't feel so bad about it!

This is a place where people under 25 feel old, and where people over 25 feel young

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by Maiev on Feb 24, 2012 2:26 PM GMT up reply actions  

You're over 25

so it’s your turn now to express people over 25 can still feel young … and besides this, they still live with their parents, so no great deal …

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by Maiev on Feb 24, 2012 2:45 PM GMT up reply actions  

Whos better?

Shevchenko or Torres?

by RamStamford on Feb 24, 2012 8:14 AM GMT via mobile reply actions  

Define "better"

I need a benchmark! Better at what? Better for what? I can’t answer that properly!

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by Maiev on Feb 24, 2012 2:27 PM GMT up reply actions  

I didn't have dreams regarding Torres or Sheva

it’s just impossible! :P

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by Maiev on Feb 24, 2012 2:42 PM GMT up reply actions  

Maybe we expected too much from him

that we only could be disappointed. Or Drogba was just too good. I don’t know

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by Maiev on Feb 24, 2012 3:39 PM GMT up reply actions  

Pretty sure this horse is dead

Stats show that Shevchenko was better in his time at Chelsea.

by alynne4307 on Feb 24, 2012 6:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

Right!

Statistics never lie

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by Maiev on Feb 24, 2012 6:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

you forgot the

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 24, 2012 6:20 PM GMT up reply actions  

The original author didn't use that

or at least I don’t remember anymore …

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by Maiev on Feb 24, 2012 6:21 PM GMT up reply actions  

I thought it was

I saw the™ on it before

I don't even know what to put in here knowing Steve can just change it anytime he wants (the jerk) :cP also something about trolling CFC and WAGNH

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 24, 2012 8:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'd say Sheva's problem was that he wasn't good enough any more, whereas...

…Torres was never likely to be, and isn’t, a fit for us. Of course, the arguments go the other a bit too. We’ve not been a good home for strikers not called Drogba.

Author and Official Fernando Torres Apologist for We Ain't Got No History!

by Kevin Kostka on Feb 24, 2012 10:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

Player X?

Author and Official Fernando Torres Apologist for We Ain't Got No History!

by Kevin Kostka on Feb 25, 2012 4:25 AM GMT up reply actions  

Well, for strikers not called Drogba

rename Torres and Lukaku and we’re fine! :P

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by Maiev on Feb 25, 2012 10:34 AM GMT up reply actions  

Thanks guys

Mission accomplished
Mistress is happy
You know what I’m talking about :)

by RamStamford on Feb 25, 2012 6:33 AM GMT via mobile reply actions  

You aren't even 18*, yet you've learned the first rule of relationships.

Keep the mistress happy.

[*Fairly certain that’s correct, but I’m too lazy to find a confirmation in the thread. : P]

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by Kevin Kostka on Feb 25, 2012 7:06 AM GMT up reply actions  

Marriage is the most dangerous legal act

No return, no complaint, no warranty, no repeal … very dangerous

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by Maiev on Feb 25, 2012 10:35 AM GMT up reply actions  

Haha

Thank god I’m safe :D

by RamStamford on Feb 25, 2012 10:39 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Ive still got few years to live

Before suicide :)
But if one has a partner of his/her choice,then too is it ugly?

by RamStamford on Feb 25, 2012 1:11 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Why?

I only said marriage was dangerous, not that it is necessarily disadvantageous

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by Maiev on Feb 25, 2012 1:34 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ummm

Cant see the difference,but might be seeing it once I reach that stage!

by RamStamford on Feb 25, 2012 2:13 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Ummm

Cant see the difference,but might be seeing it once I reach that stage!

by RamStamford on Feb 25, 2012 2:13 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Just resigned Eva Carniero

On FM giving her a HUGE salary raise,after all she’s so hot!

by RamStamford on Feb 25, 2012 1:21 PM GMT via mobile reply actions  

You better hope your team doesnt start

failing due to distractions… like the real one supposedly is ;)

by alynne4307 on Feb 25, 2012 2:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

Haha

Torres has scored 10 in 8 so I can assure you its nowhere near reality
Also CFC have Hummels and Eriksen in their ranks
All too good to be true :)

by RamStamford on Feb 25, 2012 2:49 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Help needed

This is part of my new project (nothing to do with Chelsea or football or related though) and I think I’m stuck here so your help is appreciated … could you tell me tell me how old you think she is? Bear in mind this is only work in progress, so parts of the face aren’t finished yet. Just tell me your impression. I think she is completely different aged than I want her to be

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by Maiev on Feb 25, 2012 9:54 PM GMT reply actions  

Hmm

I usually go younger on guesses of this nature… but I’m going with 29. It’s hard without hair and clothing to go by :)

by alynne4307 on Feb 25, 2012 11:29 PM GMT up reply actions  

I still hope to get mabe other guesses

so telling me what I intended would kinda influence their guesses, so I’ll leave it open for now

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by Maiev on Feb 25, 2012 11:46 PM GMT up reply actions  

Really?

I mean, clearly she is older than you… I suppose 21 is pretty old for you, though ;)

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 4:49 AM GMT up reply actions  

Hence Proved

What goes around comes back around!

by RamStamford on Feb 26, 2012 6:17 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Well it seems crazy

but that was exactly the age I aimed for. Haha! Now I don’t know you just said it because you’re so young yourself and thinks 21 is pretty old or if you really think she was that age. Nonetheless – it seems I have a lot of work to do to complete this. Originally I thought this was just some nonsense I could do alongside, but doesn’t seem the case

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 9:58 AM GMT up reply actions  

IMO it looked like 21 only

The girl looked like she had just passed her teenage

by RamStamford on Feb 26, 2012 1:43 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

In my original intention

she just left school and is in her first or second year of the academy, so I had 20 and 21 in my mind. However during painting I noticed she is much older than I want her to be, but wasn’t sure if it was only illusion because artists often fail when they examine their own works. That’s why I decided impulsively to put it up

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 2:07 PM GMT up reply actions  

A big diff

could be that I am in the US? Maybe Europeans look more mature at 21 than they do here. I felt she had a more mature look to her…

Make-up, if any, is more natural looking. Additionally, her face has a demure and thin appearance… usually you lose some weight in the cheeks as you progress in age, unless of course you gain a lot of weight. But naturally, the baby-cheeks, or the “youth” in one’s face, tend to start going somewhere in the 20’s.

But she doesn’t look particularly aged… no wrinkles, flawless skin… I figured she couldn’t yet be in her 30’s. There’s all my reasoning.

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 3:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

Could be, I don't know

I put more makeup on her than I would usually do in my female portraits to add an “artificial touch” to her face that most of my girls lack. That is due to her personality, rather than attributed to her real looks. That is very important for me because every character I create/paint has a long and profound backstory

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 3:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

She's fine for a 20-21 yr old

She could do with some hair though,DL might lend you some :)

by RamStamford on Feb 26, 2012 5:34 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

I paint hair after the face is done

As I’ve written – this is work in progress. Lips and eyebrows aren’t entirely done, either

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 6:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

Teach me photoshopping please!

Or whatever software you use

by RamStamford on Feb 27, 2012 8:06 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

That's not photoshopping what I do here

that’s digital painting. And if you wanna learn how to paint … I have written a (well-received) tutorial

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by Maiev on Feb 27, 2012 9:59 AM GMT up reply actions  

Link please :)

And also some on photoshop

by RamStamford on Feb 27, 2012 12:19 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

It's over there

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/tutorial/index.php?tutorial_id=2130

And it even … o la la! features Frank Lampard ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 27, 2012 1:10 PM GMT up reply actions  

Good job Nicky

:P so thats your name?
Which software you use?

by RamStamford on Feb 27, 2012 1:57 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Nicky?

That could be a girl’s or a boy’s name!

:c) :cD :cO :cP :c( :c\

Official Troll of CFC and WAGNH ;c)

by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 27, 2012 5:43 PM GMT up reply actions  

I've fixed it now, I think

She looks younger and more innocent now, imho. Thank you all for your help and opinions! I really appreciate that.

That picture is nearly finished

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by Maiev on Feb 28, 2012 10:26 PM GMT up reply actions  

No problem, glad I could help.

It was also hard to judge without any hair. Looking back I think my estimate was a little high. You’ll have to post the new one so we can see how it looks!

by Kjell on Mar 1, 2012 12:29 AM GMT up reply actions  

I'll post once I finished it

Only some little changes to do now – and she has hair now ;)

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by Maiev on Mar 1, 2012 10:27 AM GMT up reply actions  

Uhh

DL doesn’t have any babies, does he? Maybe it’s a niece or nephew or something? Not that it matters, I just sometimes learn by surprise that players have kids or are married… like I recently learned about Ramires.

by alynne4307 on Feb 25, 2012 11:41 PM GMT reply actions  

No

Usually used when a player is paying tribute to a baby (they suck their thumbs as a baby would).

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 1:43 AM GMT up reply actions  

Weird!

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 10:02 AM GMT up reply actions  

Haven't seen it before? It's done with some frequency...

There was a pretty well-known example of these goal celebrations against your country’s NT almost 4 years ago ;)

http://www.itsalreadysigned4u.com/shop/media/images/product_detail/aaa-10939.jpg

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 2:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

Have seen it before

but never quite paid attention to it – like most things :P

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 2:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

Alright, people of England

what are the best job search sites I can use for jobs in your country?

I am trying to determine if The Guardian’s job section is that helpful, or if I am missing out on some goldmine, not that any of these folks want to deal with relocation. Also, how do people live on some of those salaries posted? I can barely live in Boston on my salary, much less figure out how people live in London making as much or less than I do.

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 1:51 AM GMT reply actions  

That's interesting

because in the branch where I work or will work in future, people in London earn more than the double, up to the triple of what I would earn in Germany with a comparable job. Also interesting that job sites in England tell you openly what you’re going to earn once you apply, because that would be something that it isn’t done here; you have to research in professional magazines to find that out.

You’re planning a big fat move? ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 10:02 AM GMT up reply actions  

Ahhh

See, I’d like to go back into some sort of entertainment marketing and use my Music Business degree- whatever knowledge and experience I have is fast becoming antiquated, so it would be nice to put it to use before it is, and learn all the knew tricks of the trade that have since developed.

I went into marketing for a music tech company, which had a nice little bubble in the Boston area, but in 2008 everything sort of crashed and died, and there is little that is stable in the Boston music scene, so I’ve got to look elsewhere. I’ve wanted to work in Iceland’s music biz for awhile because it is just so new and full of so much talent, but getting into work at a Scandinavian country as a non-Scandinavian is pretty near impossible much of the time. Figured if I can break into a major music market in Europe, I could build up my resume and qualify for jobs in Iceland. England has lots of music jobs, actually… but just like in the States, they don’t really pay much for the qualifications desired.

Some personal reasons too… I’ve fared better with more men from the UK than men from Boston, while living here. Maybe there’s something to that. My friends keep suggesting that I need to live in Europe to meet a good match. I don’t know what that means. Pretty sure it means that Boston is void of any options, though.

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 2:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm no specialist in media business

but from all I read and heard and from what friends tell me, it is very true that in media business generally (and in your branch, especially, afaik you’re in web marketing) they don’t pay much in that business. Maybe it is because there is no real degree required; it doesn’t hurt to have one, but since they don’t really demand you to bring a degree with you they won’t pay you just because you have that degree. I dare say in the US you’re paid much better for those jobs than here in Europe (mainland, can’t say of UK)

Even more so, finding a proper job in the media business – generally – is difficult enough, not to mention getting a well-paid job; and seemingly it affects people from all areas, editors, journos, designers, artists … it’s the reality in Germany, and Germany has the best and most stable job market currently compared to the rest of mainland Europe (apart from Scandinavian countries and Switzerland, can’t say about the UK, but according to my student magazine for university graduates it’s even worse there)

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 2:29 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hmm

Specifically in web marketing, you can actually make a good deal of money. Depends on the industry you do the web marketing for.

For the Music Business, people tend to think you ought to pay them for the honor of working for them. Or that you should do work for free. I am all for “paying dues” and “climbing the ladder”, but I’ve done my share in that when I was younger, so I don’t much fancy that type of thing again. It’s one of the carried-down and antiquated beliefs that stands in entertainment- people will work for free just for the chance to be near a star (or someone that might become a star). The unfortunate part is that employers in those fields can still get away with it, because well, it works. People do great deals of work for others to help them succeed, and a lot of them never see anything in return for it. That’d be fine if that was the intention behind doing the work, but it often isnt. The creative industries are often like this. :(

However… in web marketing, I could stand a much better chance… which is why I fell into it. I’d much rather get involved with a creative or entertainment industry again, though. The more I go the technical route, the more I feel I am losing the creative part of me. It makes me sadfaced. I need to make a career change before it is too late.

And that right there is how you can tell I am getting old. Midlife crisis, haha.

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 2:55 PM GMT up reply actions  

If I may put on my psych hat for a moment

You faring better with men from the United Kingdom than men in Boston probably has more to do with your approach towards those men than it does the men themselves. I cannot speak necessarily for the area of Boston (nor can I for the UK, for that matter), but with a sample size as large as that, there are certainly plausible ‘options’. It does make a difference where you spend your time, who you spend it with, and what your course of action is to initiate conversation with people in Boston as opposed to what it is in the UK.

I will not dispute for a second the fact that Americans are generally more brash, obtuse, and generally childish (our culture tends to facilitate arrogance moreso than others, mostly because it’s a successful means of receiving attention from the opposite sex – remember when I chastised Torres for having no confidence? Well, at least he’s not an arrogant pile of feces who sucks anyway (think Bendtner)), but there are certainly options – there are always options. People generally just need to be open to it when the opportunity comes about, and not pigeon-hole themselves into only finding men in socially acceptable date-starting settings*, because more often than not, that’s where the cretins will be out in full force.

  • - This is a rant all its own, but the fact that bars are one of the only socially acceptable places to find someone to be with or generally date is counter-intuitive and altogether absurd when one notes that most normal places are viewed as inappropriate. When people get on a bus to commute to work, that should be JUST AS, if not more, acceptable than tripping over someone at a bar, because at least your senses aren’t partially numbed. I understand the reasoning: a) people mentally prepare themselves to meet others at a bar-like setting, so they’re not caught by surprise as they would be in most other scenarios, and b) most people need the alcoholic lubricant to feel comfortable actually being around and conversing with people they don’t know, and – maybe, just maybe! – the liquid courage gives them enough of a fleeting sense of security for those people to (get this!) be themselves. I’m simply saying it makes more sense for someone to be comfortable with opportunities as they arise, wherever that may be, rather than painting those opportunities into a corner so as to only be available when they themselves feel ‘okay, the time is right!’, whatever the hell that means.

And so ends my diatribe.

by cwel87 on Mar 10, 2012 8:46 PM GMT up reply actions  

Interesting points

Actually, most the guys were met while in Boston. I approached none of them :) 1 was in a bar, but he was too young. Others were while I was on the job working in a place that saw many Internationals and with the exception of the nut job that tried to tell me the FBI was after him because he knew things about 911 (weirdest thing I had to deal with on the job), the only ones that hit on me were Brits. I also had one guy hit on me while I was in Iceland with my friend- he was English. Icelandic men, for all the blondes they have there, really don’t care to try anything different! My blonde friend had all the boys after her.

Anyhow… my chances may well be better in other places in the States too, and I’d probably do well to learn how to mingle better. But for some reason the Brits always approached me. Figure that a little time over there wouldn’t hurt, to see if that remains the case. :) Not to mention that the music biz is much more approachable and probably in better shape there than here. Bummer, that.

by alynne4307 on Mar 10, 2012 9:43 PM GMT up reply actions  

Certainly, I wouldn't have any knowledge of the music business

And I most definitely would fancy a move across the pond myself, if only to experience something different. I merely brought that up because it seems that, most often, the decent American guys are either overshadowed or outright ignored because the jackasses make themselves known. I personally don’t have much difficulty approaching women (and I myself have never understood the trepidation; if the girl rejects you, what exactly have you lost other than a pipe dream?), and I consider myself a good guy (of course I do!), but in a lot of those cases, I openly admit that the men who appear most comfortable approaching women is because they’ve done it a lot. Not out of rejection, of course – because they make some kind of a sport out of it.

Essentially, what it boils down to; if you meet someone you enjoy talking to (wherever that may be) and might want to get to know better, don’t be afraid to be bold yourself! Leaving it in the hands of the men to approach the women all the time is asking for a few nightmares (drunk, horny men are off their rockers and will literally try anything – and no, I’m not even remotely trying to pretend that this is something you don’t already know). After all, when have good men (generally) ever proven to be more competent than good women in a situation like that?

Finally, because you’ve piqued my curiosity: what do you mean by ‘hit on’? Everyone’s seemingly got a different definition of what ‘hit on’ means (or, more specifically, what they want it to mean), so I’m rather curious to see what a Bostonian’s is. And where this trail leads!

by cwel87 on Mar 10, 2012 10:20 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hit on?

Not necessarily a Bostonian definition, I don’t think, in my case. I was raised in a small farm town, after all. It may not even be the same for all instances I’ve experienced. I tend to use it when I mean that a guy actually asks for a date or my number to call me for a date. Sometimes I just mean the general flirtatiousness and conversation that makes it clear that it could continue into whatever else you wanted it to if both parties care for it to (and I don’t necessarily mean that). I suppose I’ve used the term before when I just meant some guy cat-called or delivered a poor pass, but that isn’t quite what I am referring to in my previous comment.

What does it lead to? A phone call, maybe a date… maybe some more calls and dates. Now, for other Bostonians- you ask them and I am sure their definition could be quite different! I know some girls that would take a glance in their direction as an invitation to the bedroom. Maybe that is my problem with having trouble with the guys here- “why buy the cow?” type of thing.

by alynne4307 on Mar 11, 2012 9:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

...and that's exactly why I asked!

For me, ‘hit on’ is a generally derogatory phrase. It’s basically what you said in your first paragraph’s last sentence: when a guy gives a half-assed, sorry attempt at trying to grab a woman’s attention long enough to convince that woman to sleep with him. I mentioned this previously in the Torres-subthread, but my goal is more along the lines of connecting with people, and so my positive terminology would be something along the lines of: I ‘engaged’ that girl in conversation. I know, semantics, but my desired end result is considerably different than a good many of my fellow men who use ‘hit on’ or ‘flirt’ to describe the intent of their desired nightlife experience.

The people who like their games, I tend to let them play their games. I’ve no interest in involving myself with that nonsense. Let the people who want to play roulette play roulette, and check in with them every once in a while to see how the game’s going for them. I’d rather sit down, have a good chat about one another, and see if enough intrigue is mutual on both ends to expand upon that conversation another time.

Men generally only want to ‘buy the cow’ when they find an incredible girl, but the dirty little secret is; most everybody is incredible for a good few others. It’s just a matter of taking the time to get to know that person well enough, and to let that person get to know them all the same. And, sometimes, people are terrible fits for one another, but both parties feel they’ve invested too much into that relationship to get nothing out of it (particularly by a ‘certain age’ – depending on the individual, this varies), so they try to draw blood from a stone, and all the while, the national divorce rate continues to rise because of this exact attitude (another one of my tangential rants!). Irony of all ironies, our culture of ‘instant gratification’ and the actions caused by a group-think mentality such as that more often leads to delayed happiness than it does to any sort of quick fix.

I guess what I’m trying to say is: I, like Maiev, apparently live on the moon (does that make me Illidan?). I think a lot of people live on the moon, though. They just don’t think it’s socially acceptable to admit they live on the moon, and they’re afraid of being the only people to think that way, and so, they continue their, unnecessarily drama-infested lives and wonder after the fact, ‘Why me?’, when the question should really be a pre-emptive, ’Why you AND me?

PS – Perhaps this makes me sound like a prude. I’m not a prude. I am so far from a prude it’s actually painful for me to think I could ever be construed as a prude. I just feel comfortable in what I’m seeking, and I get that feeling that if you and I aren’t on the same wavelength, we’re at least on the same boat. At the very least, It’s sometimes a relief to hear (read!) other’s perspectives when slogging through something like what you’ve described. Plus, since all of six people check these off-topic threads, I’m not too worried about anything I’ve said getting taken out of context.

WOW, that was long. Apologies!

by cwel87 on Mar 12, 2012 2:02 AM GMT up reply actions  

The walls of text!

They’re spreading! JK. I am used to being one of the few that writes them up :)

by alynne4307 on Mar 12, 2012 3:07 AM GMT up reply actions  

This whole conversation is giving me flashbacks to psych class

And not good flashbacks either. She was a manipulative bitch.

by DPeezy on Mar 12, 2012 5:23 PM GMT up reply actions  

There are plenty of them out there

And, unfortunately, a field like psychology tends to attract the…uh, manipulators.

by cwel87 on Mar 12, 2012 6:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hmm

I want to learn psychology… but I hardly think I am the manipulative type. I have so little influence, it is crazy. But seriously though… mind games annoy me- I much prefer just being straight up whenever possible. I figure I like psychology because I toooootally over-analyze things. I sometimes find myself rethinking conversations from days prior, and how I should have said something or whatever. It’s stupid Dawson’s Creek type of self-analysis. I sometimes drive myself a bit mad with it.

I did make it through the whole thing. Took a few reads, though, haha. I can only imagine what my wall texts do to anyone that bothers to read mine. Usually I am just airing whatever I feel like spewing, so I don’t much expect people to read.

by alynne4307 on Mar 12, 2012 8:47 PM GMT up reply actions  

Most professions has associated websites and company's that do recruitment.

I’m not much help as I’ve only had to apply for 1 job in the last 10 years and got the others from knowing people.

by ChelseaMariner on Feb 26, 2012 12:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ahh

They go the very specific route. Hmm… I’ll look up some entertainment and marketing recruiting, if I can.

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 2:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

Regarding copyright law in general

moved from on-topic thread, originally by alynne4307

I used to LOVE copyright law and now I can barely remember it. In ways that people wouldnt understand (mostly because it’s actually quite boring to most people).

Though I’m quite sure you don’t mean lawyers in special – I have to admit lawyers too find copyright law quite boring and lack interest in going deeper into it – because unlike other branches of law, it’s totally one-dimensional, it is less academic … nowadays it isn’t even law anymore (though there are some very good efforts against this; Charles Nesson and his efforts shall be mentioned here in particular). Why is that so? Because in the last 20 years, copyright law has become a battlefield for the recording and creative industry, namely major labels and or publishers. Copyright law in nearly all countries have been pushed one-dimensionally, one-sided toward those who benefit from it, it has become only more and more restricted. The internet has been completely ignored, and laws from the 19th century (copyright law still uses principles from civil law developed in Roman law as crazy as it might sound) are used to cases involving the internet. When a lawsuit with internet themes come up, those technical aspects have been completely ignored. While other fields of law have largely developed – especially (one would not guess it) Constitutional law, public law, and company law, copyright law goes backward. While in modern penal law and criminology the effect and benefit of determent is heavily discussed, copyright law goes the other way and became more and more draconian – more punishment, more determent, absurd compensation, more prohibitions. This is all what makes copyright law less interesting

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 11:15 AM GMT reply actions  

Interesting take...

What I always liked about the Copyright Law in the States is that while it didn’t address knew technologies specifically (because editing law here is often a bitch to do), those that crafted it years ago knew that new technology would come into play. They were smart enough to leave the language pretty vague surrounding what copyright law entails. It sort of has an umbrella effect to it.

Regarding the YT video edit the person made- that wouldnt really qualify as passing under our Copyright law.. it would be removed if flagged. It is hard for me to tell you just what the limits are, because just as the language was vague for inclusion of new technologies, it is rather vague surrounding the specific cases too. Some things are open to interpretation of the court, if it goes that far.

What copyright/copyleft/creative commons all are really involved in is not the Arts, but really, Economics. It has to do with incentive. People have a very basic need to pay their bills and make a living, and if they do so through a creative medium, some (certainly not all) people feel that they have the right to be compensated for their ideas, and to control the distribution of said ideas. It is similar to many other industries, as it is still a product that is made… it is just that it is a representation of some ideas and a bit less tangible. Where copyright law gets particularly interesting for me, then, was in music- because of just how intangible music can be. What I believe very strongly in, with regards to copyright law, are the artist rights contained within. I don’t quite care as much about helping the middle men involved in the process and what they stand to gain from it, but unfortunately other contracts usually cause such to happen… so then you get your hands dirty with contract law and copyright law too! For me to be involved personally, it’s about incentivizing those that generate ideas that I consume and get great gratification from, and encouraging them to continue to distribute said ideas to the public.

Of course, much of the opposition to copyright falls on the argument that ideas dont really belong to people, and they’re just recycled over time. I can see how that argument stands, because that is often the case with general ideas- we see trends. But, then we’d really have no business or “creative” outlets in anything, anywhere if we stood on the grounds that all ideas belong to everyone or no one at all… we’d be a very different type of society. A society that my brain, as someone that lives in capitalism and understands the human principles behind it (despite how funned up things can get in its name), would have a very hard time coping with. After all… it is human nature to want to feel we “created” something.

And in a nutshell (a coconut, maybe, because this is a big post), that is a lot of why I personally love working in and discussing copyright law (the evolution of it, does it still address the needs it set out to, etc.). Although, in the other thread, I mostly meant most people find it to be a very boring read and can’t understand why I’d spend time on it. :)

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 2:44 PM GMT up reply actions  

I try to break down your post because it addresses so many different themes

without a clear link to each other (or at least I fail to see them)

1) Your first subject is around the law is vague, and you can’t tell what the law allows and what the law forbids. This is also due to your common law system, because in your system lawyers and judges have to pay attention what judges before them have said. I’m coming from a civil (Roman) law system where the law is above everything and everyone, and it’s precedent cases telling you how to decide but the law tells you what to do. So compared to American laws, European laws are much more precise. Of course laws always contain undefined legal terms that need to be filled. I do not doubt our copyright law can be adjusted to modern technologies and development, but it isn’t done so.

2) I do not doubt the general idea and necessity of a copyright law. I do believe people have the right to make profit with their ideas. But the question is “how”. There are multiple ways to design copyright law, and not necessarily down to 2 extremes. Not allowing people to make profit of their immaterial work would be one of 2 extremes.

Well I’m sort of a legal philosopher right now (partly only, of course), and the main discipline of legal philosophy is the question what a “good law” is, and if there is one. To cut things short (because this is no academic discussion and I can’t go into details due to shortcomings of my language skills) – a good law is a law that is accepted, morally or rationally, by a broad majority of people to whom the law applies. Law has to balance out interests for the law to be “just”. A law leaning too much to one parties and another is not a good law. And our copyright law (comparable: the jurisdiction in common law countries) drifts too much toward the interests of one party. And the cruel thing is: not necessarily toward the interests of those who actually do the creative work. That is what I think needs to be corrected, for the good of both sides. More punishment, more determent, higher compensantion, cutting off rights of consumers is too one-sided

3) Laws are part of an academic discipline, it’s a human science. The last decade all discussions surrounding copyright law was mainly involved about “filesharing costs us 863473493404584 millions of dollars – so as a consequence you have to tighten copyright law, or you condone illegal copyright infringement!” – that is not very academic

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 3:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

The lack of any clear direction in my post

is probably because yesterday I was just commenting on how I used to really like copyright law, and how I’ve forgotten most of it… and how an average person would think that is a very boring topic for me to have interest in. Then I tried to address several of the points from some of the posts in the other thread, and yours above… I got a bit all over the place.

Copyright law could definitely do well to be updated with the times.

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 3:53 PM GMT up reply actions  

I guess most people would find everything boring

that concerns law. Not very surprising though, since law and legal stuff are really designed for those who really know something about that, and everyone who didn’t train legally is likely to get lost. That isn’t something reserved for copyright law only I guess; if you told anyone you were interested in company law you’d get the same reaction I believe. But however, even many, if not most trained lawyers and scholars would find copyright law boring and uninteresting, for the reasons I explained above ;)

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 4:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

Tax law is actually very exciting, hehe

but is the brand example why it is considered boring – it is totally inaccessible to anyone not trained in it – that’s the reason I don’t like it either, but because I haven’t got into it and therefore, don’t understand anything of it

(everyone I know trained in tax law are actually keen on it, I take that as a proof ;))

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 7:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

I know

I guess a win for them is for the best. I might take a draw too, but wouldn’t mind having fourth sealed up.

by alynne4307 on Feb 26, 2012 2:45 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm feeling so happy

Had a match today,played like DL
I’m a DLP but played CB today due to injury to teammates.
Made a 100% similar mistake to the DL one for Cavani in the first half
Scored a 45 yarder :D converted a penalty,awesome long balls in the 2nd
Won 6-1
Finished being kicked by mates as celebration
Believe me,I’m the answer to the creativity problems of Chelsea
Then to my dismay see that Arsenal have won big too :(

by RamStamford on Feb 26, 2012 5:20 PM GMT via mobile reply actions  

Arsenal have won and Liverpool won a trophy

it’s a sad, sad Sunday

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 7:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

On Friday, I went from a David Luiz to a Paulo Ferreira

In terms of haircuts.

I presume my playing skills will take a similar “haircut” as well now.

by DPeezy on Feb 26, 2012 7:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ferreira wasn't that bad

on his last appearance

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by Maiev on Feb 26, 2012 7:52 PM GMT up reply actions  

I have been Hamsik for the last 2 months

Though admittedly I’m better than him :P

by RamStamford on Feb 27, 2012 12:54 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, I gave Skyrim the ol' college try

And not so much.

I guess I’m forever stuck with reminiscing about the good ol’ days of Planescape:Torment and Baldur’s Gate.

by DPeezy on Feb 28, 2012 1:58 AM GMT reply actions  

I also wanna try Skyrim but I really don't wanna get in touch with registering myself on Steam

but I find it difficult to compare Planescape with any game of the Elder Scrolls series. But personally – true – no game up to date beats Planescape for me. This is a standout, the game with the deepest, most sophisticated and serious story and backbone that have been released so far

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by Maiev on Feb 28, 2012 10:03 AM GMT up reply actions  

Yeah, nothing has compared to those in the decade since

Dragon Age came close, just like NWN2 did before it…but it wasn’t the same. And I’ve tried so many times with the 1st person RPG’s…I really really wanted to get into the Elder Scrolls stuff, but I just can’t; it doesn’t work for me.

I’d pay good money for a modern update to BG2 or another P:T. High res, isometric graphics, complex combat, amazing story.

Ah, hell, maybe I’ll just reinstall and play through it again. I’m sure the modding community has made some advancements as well…

by DPeezy on Feb 28, 2012 5:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

Dragon Age Origins was pretty cool

but the general storyline I found quite weak. It’s a typical Bioware-recruit-allies-and-then-save-the-world streak. However the separate story arcs – Beauty of the Beast and Paragon of Her Kind especially, were very good. But it lacks that “What can change the nature of man”-moment of Planescape …

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by Maiev on Feb 28, 2012 6:33 PM GMT up reply actions  

You guys

I am drunk! It happens sometimes. Also.. I’ve had a “beergria” once or twice before, but I had a really good one tonight. I made a poor assumption that because it was beer instead of wine, that I would handle it better. The answer is an astounding “no”. 3-4 of those and I am expecting I will wake up late, I will have some confusing text messages, and I might even look back here and wonder WTF I typed.

by alynne4307 on Mar 1, 2012 5:32 AM GMT reply actions  

LIES

That was way too coherent.

WTF’s a “beergria” btw?

by DPeezy on Mar 1, 2012 6:50 AM GMT up reply actions  

I spent too much time fixing typos

Funny enough, I am sometimes better at typing while drunk. I suppose I am more conscious of all the mistakes.

Beergria is essentially like Sangria, only it is beer instead of wine. I think the one I had last night had two types of brandy in it. They hit me a little later. I didnt wake up too late though! Yay, dehydration for waking me up!

by alynne4307 on Mar 1, 2012 1:56 PM GMT up reply actions  

My friend is moving to London in a couple of months

I am jealous in a gigantic way. But I suppose having a friend to visit there makes things easier, should I be interested in visiting The Bridge, anytime soon!

by alynne4307 on Mar 1, 2012 7:55 PM GMT reply actions  

Shit!

We could have a zoo of hairdoos. Torres has sort of a hedgehog thing happening right now. Mata just looks sort of leprechaun-like right now, so I cannot think of an animal. What would Drogba’s hair be? Mikel’s hair sort of remind me of that dinosaur that has the shell with pointy things… and the tail with pointy things. Lord, I am too old to remember the name of it. Lukaku could fall in that group too, but his dreads are starting to grow out again, I think. Luiz basically has a mini-poodle on his head.

Who else?

by alynne4307 on Mar 6, 2012 4:13 AM GMT up reply actions  

Ankylosaurus?

Unless you somehow forgot Stegosaurus! : P

Author and Official Fernando Torres Apologist for We Ain't Got No History!

by Kevin Kostka on Mar 10, 2012 6:43 PM GMT up reply actions  

If there is something my job has taught me

it is that people can be fahking morons sometimes. Demanding morons at that.

by alynne4307 on Mar 13, 2012 3:30 PM GMT reply actions  

Sometimes?

Everybody knows the world is full of stupid people!

by cwel87 on Mar 13, 2012 7:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

Definitely

but sometimes some of them are smart, and sometimes they are not. Sometimes they make me want to punch things. And by “sometimes” I mean almost all the time.

Example? I have a customer that wrote in today with 53 edit requests for his website. They are all written up like “I’d like the text moved over about 5/8’s of an inch” or “The text appears more bold on your version of the website than it is on my sample”. Why are these stupid? Because 1) website design doesn’t measure things in inches and 2) I don’t work in website design really… I work with a team that recreates websites on our CMS platform and you sort of get what you get because it’s the best we can offer and 3) because we told this customer in advance that there would be layout changes in this process.

That was probably a bit too specific a problem. But basically, let’s just say that our typical edit requests are about 3 items at most- and they are usually not even edit requests as much as they are questions about how to use the CMS. 53 items! I want this customer to die, pretty much. I leave for vacation on Thursday. If I don’t have a response for all 53 items completed tomorrow, his ass is waiting until I return and I will NOT feel bad about it.

by alynne4307 on Mar 14, 2012 12:55 AM GMT up reply actions  

Oh!

And it is stupid because his text isn’t more bold on one than the other… they are exactly the same. This guy is a flaming idiot that is out to ruin my worklife.

by alynne4307 on Mar 14, 2012 12:57 AM GMT up reply actions  

You go girl!

Tell him to upgrade from IE6.

by DPeezy on Mar 14, 2012 1:28 AM GMT up reply actions  

This

http://www.ie6countdown.com/

And this whole thing reminds me of these two things:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
http://studiosixtwo.blogspot.com/2011/06/35-cool-infographics-for-web-and.html

That second one is actually printed out and pinned to my cubicle so I can point to it when people ask me dumb things. “Graphic” was replaced with “web”, of course. Even though I don’t really do that. My boss said that the same pretty much applies to women. I think he may be right there.

by alynne4307 on Mar 14, 2012 3:09 AM GMT up reply actions  

Hehe; that's great

I could print it (replacing ‘graphic’ with physical) and pin it on my cube as well. In fact, I may just do that tomorrow! :P

by DPeezy on Mar 14, 2012 5:14 AM GMT up reply actions  

And you shouldn't feel bad

Idiots will be idiotic. Thus is life! Take a deep breath, pour yourself some wine, and pretty much tell him exactly what you told us (the numbers part, that is – I’d suggest leaving the rest out!). If he agreed to a service wherein it’s pretty much customers-hands-off, minimal input is all he really should be giving.

Also, enjoy the vacation. Vacations are great.

by cwel87 on Mar 14, 2012 2:52 AM GMT up reply actions  

Oh... if only

there was wine.

Don’t worry… when things like this make their way to my inbox, I promptly turn in my chair, stand up, and walk to the kitchen to find something to drown my anger in. This guy is going to get an email back with a response to his 53 items. Each one. Some will have less words than others. And it will also include a nice reminder that the reason most of his edits will not be made is not because we don’t like him, but because we told him that’s how it would be because it is how it has to be. I wish I could say this is the only time I’ve had one of these batshit crazy things. I get one about every 1.5 months.

by alynne4307 on Mar 14, 2012 3:01 AM GMT up reply actions  

"fahking"

I pictured that in a “Good Will Hunting”-esque accent.

by DPeezy on Mar 13, 2012 9:54 PM GMT up reply actions  

Exactly

It feels less vulgar somehow because it is mistyped and I live in the Boston area, so it seems to work. I sometimes use “farking” too, but we all know that someone from Southie would never manage to get the “r” in there. “Fahking” is my typo-tribute to Boston.

by alynne4307 on Mar 14, 2012 12:46 AM GMT up reply actions  

Break Dancing, Tron Lights, and Dubstep

This video is way too cool to not share with you fine folks. Further proof that Japan is crazy awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydeY0tTtF4

by FootieFromAfar on Mar 14, 2012 7:34 AM GMT via mobile reply actions  

You know, scientists are demystified pretty quickly when you realise they are essentially...

…big children. If there is a six-year-old’s solution to any problem, science will use it. It’s kind of beautiful, really.

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by Kevin Kostka on Mar 14, 2012 9:04 AM GMT up reply actions  

But you get to watch football all day!

I bet they’d like to do that :cD

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Mar 14, 2012 11:16 AM GMT up reply actions  

A very good one! That's important in some circles :c)

Why aren’t you doing science?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Mar 14, 2012 1:31 PM GMT up reply actions  

What was it?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Mar 14, 2012 4:32 PM GMT up reply actions  

That's cool.

What’s the coolest thing you built/designed?

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Mar 14, 2012 5:20 PM GMT up reply actions  

I know nothing about it

Could presumably be renovated if someone tried though

by Graham MacAree on Mar 14, 2012 5:33 PM GMT up reply actions  

Okay

To me, there is a different medical center near a Beacon Hill. Damn this country and naming everything exactly the same!

by alynne4307 on Mar 14, 2012 7:43 PM GMT up reply actions  

It looks cool

and I assume it won’t collapse. :c)

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Mar 14, 2012 5:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

Wait, do you and Stephen actually work for SBNation?

Like, as your job? I always thought it was just a thing you guys did on the side.

THAT’S AWESOME

by FootieFromAfar on Mar 14, 2012 5:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

I do

I coordinate all of their soccer stuff

by Graham MacAree on Mar 14, 2012 5:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

You didn't know?

Graham is like “THE GUY.”

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Mar 14, 2012 5:20 PM GMT up reply actions  

True story

When it came time to choose colleges, of the ones that accepted me, I chose the one that had LEGOs on the front cover of their brochure.

No regrets. LEGOs FTW!

Also, related, we often use LEGOs here at work to visually demonstrate physical circuit layout (you know, how all the layers interact with each other, etc.) to people who may not be able to deduce the spacial relationship from the 2D view on the monitors…

by DPeezy on Mar 14, 2012 5:10 PM GMT up reply actions  

Lego will inevitably and always

remind of Plato. No kiddin’ … everytime I see Lego it’s “Space Magic” and then Plato :P

Tor ilisar'thera'nal!

by Maiev on Mar 14, 2012 6:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

If you were like me

you often got play-do stuck in your legos. I don’t remember why or how, I just know I did. Hot Wheels, too! I had brothers… I was a bit of a tomboy growing up.

by alynne4307 on Mar 14, 2012 7:46 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm insanely jealous.

I am hoping to go for my PhD (in a similar field) in the next 3 years. Why research did you do while you worked there?

by Kjell on Mar 16, 2012 10:22 PM GMT up reply actions  

Soft tissue injury mechanisms

A lot of work on spinal disk simulations rather than proper lab stuff – we didn’t even have a dedicated lab space back then anyway, and the group was much, much smaller. I left in June 2008.

by Graham MacAree on Mar 19, 2012 9:08 AM GMT up reply actions  

That's pretty fascinating.

I’m wanting to go into bio mechanics and am thinking about specializing in vertebrate design.

by Kjell on Mar 21, 2012 1:04 AM GMT up reply actions  

I've arrived in SF. To rain.

More of it than I’d hoped for, but sounds like SF could use it. Don’t worry, though. I will still eat tons of food for all of you that are not here to enjoy it.

by alynne4307 on Mar 16, 2012 11:30 PM GMT reply actions  

Thank god for the rain

We may some enjoyable skiing this season after all…

by DPeezy on Mar 16, 2012 11:44 PM GMT up reply actions  

I am frothing at the mouth for this movie.

I love Alien and Aliens, both are amazing. This looks like the kind of stuff that could make a guy need to bring another pair of pants to the theater.

by Kjell on Mar 21, 2012 1:01 AM GMT up reply actions  

Just learned part of it was filmed in Iceland

In case no one here has figured it out yet, I’m obsessed with that country.

by alynne4307 on Mar 21, 2012 1:37 AM GMT up reply actions  

I liked Alien and Aliens, don't get me wrong

And it looks like a plenty fun popcorn flick. But I don’t get overly excited about spaceships and special effects (unless we’re talking Malcolm Reynolds – and there’s a reason) because I’m more interested in character development (there’s the reason!). The only science-fiction movie that offered that kind of depth recently was Serenity, and that was because it had the preceding television show during which the characters’ personalities were molded.

Basically, what I’m saying is, like Kevin, I can’t get too excited about movies – there’s not enough intrigue for me to be found in a stand-alone 2 hour commitment.

I’m sure it’ll be good. There’s no way in hell I’d spend $10 to see it, though.

by cwel87 on Mar 21, 2012 2:39 PM GMT up reply actions  

I saw it at the start, and I enjoyed it immensely - but soon thereafter my childhood became dominated by sports and extracurriculars and Greater Faydark (I was not the most common breed back then, I'll admit)

I’ve been meaning to get back to it, but I have had such easier access to more recent television series that I’ve kind of put it on the back-burner a bit. I hear it’s right up my alley in terms of the characters, though. I’m traditionally not a fan of science fiction, but I can (and will) always make exceptions for the shows and movies deserving of it.

by cwel87 on Mar 21, 2012 6:58 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm often far more willing to spend $10 on a "popcorn" flick

Sometimes those pretty explosions need to be appreciated on a screen the size of a city block. Immortals was a fun movie on the big screen (although I’m infatuated with Tarsem) as was The Fountain (although I’m also infatuated with Aronofsky).

Of course when the characters are combined with some excellent action, that’s when the magic truly happens. And based on Ridley Scott’s track record (Alien, Gladiator, Blade Runner, American Gangster, Matchstick Men, etc, etc), I don’t think we’ll be getting an entirely mindless movie that’s just a bunch of special effects. Let’s not confuse the man with Michael Bay (or later George Lucas).

by DPeezy on Mar 21, 2012 5:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

Don't worry, I'm not confusing him for Michael Bay

I’m simply stating a personal preference, and while doing so I decided to take a jab at the absurdity of movie ticket prices. Ridley Scott is phenomenal, but his movies were successful moreso due to the special effects and innovation than they were to character development.

Darren Aronofsky, on the other hand, is a director I can totally get behind. I have loved just about every one of his movies – and they keep getting better. He plays to exactly what I’m looking for in a film, but that’s an entirely different off-topic discussion!

by cwel87 on Mar 21, 2012 6:44 PM GMT up reply actions  

Speaking of Bob Saget

passed his Full House yesterday. I like how the first thing I thought of when I saw it was that they used to play in a driveway that was flat with trees and crap around it, but the house has a garage in front, no trees, steep road. Bob Saget’s a perv, the set was totally not suited to the building they chose to show as the home, Stephanie grew up with the typical outcome for a child star…. what more will I learn that will destroy my memories of this show?!?

In other news… SFers…. go eat at the Voodoo foodtruck… they have these little fried mashed potato balls that are the stuff that dreams are made of.

by alynne4307 on Mar 20, 2012 1:33 AM GMT reply actions  

Were they actually supposed to have lived there, or did they just have it in the intro?

It’s been so long since I’ve seen Full House that I can’t remember if they ever showed an exterior shot of their house.

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by Kevin Kostka on Mar 20, 2012 7:52 AM GMT up reply actions  

It was supposed to be their house.

They zoomed out on it or something in the opening credits and I think even during episodes when they wanted to denote that they were at the house (sort of like the mansion shots in Fresh Prince).

by alynne4307 on Mar 20, 2012 8:37 PM GMT up reply actions  

Okay

Apparently I am wrong… they don’t make it evident where they live in the opening, but I do believe they would show the exterior of the house in the midst of shows as well. In the later intros it shows them picnicking outside of the famous group of painted homes. In the earlier intros the group of houses is a different set and they do the zoom out thing. I am all sorts of confused. But even that house has the garage in front. Their backyard also changes. I mean, I am the only person looking this closely, but I like to find more reasons to blame Bob Saget.

Later intro: http://youtu.be/9zYgDVDZ3_c
Earlier intro: http://youtu.be/9zYgDVDZ3_c

by alynne4307 on Mar 20, 2012 9:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

Got it.

You’re right, though. That house could never have housed the interior we saw.

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by Kevin Kostka on Mar 21, 2012 12:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

It gets even more confusing!

Apparently the house they live in is on Bederick St. or something. The other more famous group of homes are on the street that DJ would get picked up on by her boyfriend or something. I feel like an investigative reporter, hahahha. I was reminded that Kirk Cameron was on Full House and that just added fuel to my debunking fire.

by alynne4307 on Mar 21, 2012 6:55 PM GMT up reply actions  

I am sure I am

and that they could give a shit. But Bob Saget’s pervertedness combined with Kirk Cameron’s overly born again Christian-ness is enough to ruin everyone on that show.

by alynne4307 on Mar 22, 2012 4:54 AM GMT up reply actions  

Sweet!

New Thread!

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by Kevin Kostka on Mar 21, 2012 5:45 PM GMT reply actions  

Now you're just padding the / your comment count!

Cheater!

I have a love affair with Freebirds nowadays.
And also the Doritos Locos Tacos. That’s the culmination of all things glorious about fast food.

by DPeezy on Mar 21, 2012 6:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

Freebirds?

Also, the Doritos Locos Tacos look like they’re disgusting in a beautiful way. Like, so gross that they just disable the rational judgement part of your brain.

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by Kevin Kostka on Mar 21, 2012 6:09 PM GMT up reply actions  

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