Andre Villas-Boas: Some Complaints
In the wake of the Chelsea vs. Swansea City clash, there's been a lot of grumpiness directed at... well, pretty much everyone. In particular, though, there's been plenty of animosity towards Blues manager Andre Villas-Boas, who many are blaming for the result at the Liberty Stadium and for the relatively quiet transfer window. Let's go through the most-cited complaints.
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The lineup. Villas-Boas was slated before the match for failing to include Gary Cahill in the starting eleven and for having Florent Malouda start in the midfield. Addressing the latter point first, it's probably worth pointing out that the following players were unable to start against Swansea: Frank Lampard, Ramires, Michael Essien and John Obi Mikel. This leaves (assuming 4-3-3) three players for three positions, so it's not exactly a huge surprise that Malouda got the start.
The Gary Cahill question is understandable, but still baffling. Prior to Scott Sinclair's volley, Chelsea had conceded one goal in the entire month of January, so it's not as though they were going through a major defensive crisis that required a shaking-up. Furthermore, anyone who thinks Gary Cahill is better at centre back than Branislav Ivanovic is vastly overstating the former Bolton man's ability. You could make the argument that Ivanovic is more capable of dealing with Sinclair than Jose Bosingwa, but that would be ignoring that Bosingwa destroyed this man all game and then more or less scored the equalising goal.
The only reason I can think of to have Cahill on the pitch would have been his ability to on set pieces, which is something that nobody seems to be talking about. Instead, fielding Cahill - a fairly adequate centre back, but no more than that - is being treated like some sort of magic bullet. It isn't, and just because he's a player who hasn't had much of a chance to disappoint us doesn't mean he's actually good. - The transfer window. "Andre Villas-Boas is only focused on youngsters." This might sound like a strawman (and it's stupid enough to be one, frankly), but somehow it's being said anyway. So, let's go back to the basics.
- Andre Villas-Boas's title is First Team Coach. Chelsea have a Director of Football who is in charge of the whole organisation, from the youth and reserve teams on up. Michael Emenalo is the one responsible for buying, say, Kevin de Bruyne and loaning him back, and attributing the youth policy to Villas-Boas is insane. Yes, the manager will be consulted when considering buying players, but at the end of the day, it's not his call.
- We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. We simply don't know how close Chelsea were to signing, say, Javier Pastore or Luka Modric last summer. We don't know how close they were to acquiring Willian from Shakhtar Donetsk or Stevan Jovetic from Fiorentina. All we know is that some moves did happen and some didn't, and trying to extract shades of grey from a black and white world is just asking for trouble.
- Since joining Chelsea, Andre Villas-Boas has introduced four players to the first team that had yet to see any significant playing time for us: Juan Mata, Oriol Romeu, Raul Meireles and Daniel Sturridge. At least three of them have been unequivocally successful.
There are plenty of actual reasons to criticise Villas Boas. Chelsea are having a bad season. He isn't comfortable with the press, seems to be getting his tactics wrong fairly consistently, is running a team that appears to have the motivation of Eeyore having a particularly bad day and may well have stunted the development of Ryan Bertrand and Josh McEachran by refusing to give them playing time or sending them out on loan.
But for goodness sake, it'd be nice if we could on criticism that's actually valid rather than call for his head over things that make us look like lunatics.
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A lot of my frustration lies in him saying he's going to give youth a chance and then not doing it.
even when the older players are being rubbish.
I hope they don't forget to feed him a little in Wales though
Just because he didn’t start for us, it doesn’t mean that his rations can be withdrawn, Mr.Chelsea-man-in-charge-of-food!!
No eating in the basket!
He may make a mess…
by deg0ey on Feb 1, 2012 6:24 PM GMT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll agree with you on Bertrand, but I don't think you can fault him for not playing the 18 year olds more
I’m going to use Lukaku here because strikers are a much shorter list than midfielders and have far more similar roles. I took Lukaku and 4 other highly promising strikers in the past several seasons and have averaged out how many minutes per contest they were eligible for they were getting. To do this I looked at the total number of minutes played in the player’s age 18 season and then divided it by the total number of contests that player was eligible to participate in. The results are as follows:
Lukaku – 13.05 minutes per contest
Wickham – 17.35 minute per contest
Sturridge – 13.88 minutes per contest
Welbeck – 15.30 minutes per contest (mostly on loan in the lower divisions)
Carroll – 2.46 minutes per contest
I know the basket joke is funny and all, but the reality is that most 18 year olds just don’t play that much. Reserve level football is still good enough that kids that age can develop, and honestly they just aren’t ready in most cases to be full time players. Even when they are developed enough to play full time, you are running the risk of injury as most males still have open growth plates at the age of 18 (think resting Wilshere some might have been a good idea?). Most of the youth that are capable of contributing are out on loan, so really the only player getting shafted on minutes is probably Bertrand.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 6:42 PM GMT up reply actions
Well Bertrand is a big issue
And I will probably be one of those people calling for AVB’s head if he doesn’t begin against Man u. I do agree Lukau and Josh are young.
I don't see it.
I wouldn’t start Bertrand against United, I wouldn’t start him versus City. I’d have played him in the FA cup or against Swansea. But you don’t throw someone in for the first time in months against the best wingers in the league and expect it to go well.
But you don't to play a
RB at LB and the namely RB isn’t even good at his own position and expect it to go well.
He has to start against United
If he doesn’t then he must be terrible. If say Bosingwa switches to left back or something it’d be ridiculous.
Bertrand isn't all that big an issue
Before we sold Yuri I don’t think there were many of us that really thought he had a long term future here as anything more than a backup. I certainly wish he’d get the occasional start to keep Ashley fresh, but he’s not going to solve all our problems.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 6:54 PM GMT up reply actions
Cole has been bad
If Ryan isn’t good enough we need t sign a 20-22 year old who is good enough and Cole needs to be rested and he has never really had a break it is long overdue.
I'd like to see Luiz at LB
Cahill and Ivan at CB
by yatcli on Feb 1, 2012 6:59 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Don;t have to be crap to be destroyed by Hulk
He played very well at left back against Liverpool. He’s good as a CB though. I like him there except for when he runs with the ball into about 4 players. But I think he just gets bored.
And I don't want Cahill to begin against Manu
and Terry would be back and Iva should probably play RB.
Cahill might be a wise choice against Manure actually
United tend to fire in lots of crosses from out wide, and Cahill’s aerial ability could be particularly useful. They’ve also struggled mightily with defending set pieces and are likely to have Ben Amos starting in net.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 7:13 PM GMT up reply actions
Didn't ManU lose to Bolton?
I say use him!
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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 PM GMT up reply actions
Correction that was bburn
Official troll of WAGNH
by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 PM GMT up reply actions
I don't think it matters that they have been struggling to defend set pieces!
If Chelsea’s delivery from set pieces is as poor as last night!Did any set piece manage to clear the 1st man?
Start Lukaku
Chelsea have not scored many goals at all recently, and when they do score, it’s not Torres anyway. So why not give Lukaku a start? Torres seems uninterested to me at times. If Lukaku comes in and does nothing he is at least equalling Torres’ output. He looked decent the few minutes he was in yesterday.
by TheColorIsBlue on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 PM GMT up reply actions
I agree
If Lukaku gets a couple starts and scores a goal or two it will make torres get his head back in it. I feel he is getting complacent now because he knows he will be starting at least until droggy gets back from ACoN.
by Blue for life on Feb 2, 2012 5:31 AM GMT up reply actions
Torres is already lacking confidence
If we drop him he might never be able to overcome. Tough even I am tempted to start Lukaku he terrorized defenes for Anderlecht. Although EPL is pretty different but he could still manage it and I don’t want to start a striker who can’t shoot.
Time to give Cahill a break?
I like this site however I find the constant nit-picking of him (before he’s even played a minute for us) quite baffling to be honest.
And I find the constant assumption of Chelsea fans that he's a good player incredibly annoying
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 6:29 PM GMT up reply actions
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I haven’t made a constant assumption that he’s good. He was a decent performer when breaking through at Aston Villa and has played okay fir Bolton. i’ve been more impressed with him at International level though. It just seems like he’s not even being given a chance which is just plain wrong IMO.
He'll be given every chance when he's on the pitch
He’s just not the messiah
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:10 PM GMT up reply actions
true
what if we had signed someone like Hummels or Subotic though? What would people’s thoughts be then?
So when I discuss people treating Cahill like the messiah, I'm nit-picking him?
Again, a very odd complaint.
If it were Hummels (Subotic is in the middle of a sexual assault investigation), one would assume that he would be playing.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:16 PM GMT up reply actions
Hummels is also a class or three above Cahill in terms of quality.
Miereles didn’t get the warmest reaction either because he wasn’t who we wanted, but once he was on the pitch we lauded or grumped as his play dictated.
I thought the idea of us buying Sturridge a couple of years ago from Citeh was a boneheaded move, it never stopped me from rooting for him once he got on the pitch.
Technically we didn't buy Sturridge from City
He was out of contract
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 2, 2012 2:19 PM GMT up reply actions
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Well, we haven’t seen him do so yet for Chelsea….the team we all support.
I don't think Eden Hazard is a good player
I’ve only ever seen him for Lille, and I prefer Montpellier.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:11 PM GMT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's a spoilt brat...
…I’d prefer Goetze and would have loved Reus to come over. Hey ho.
I think he's a decent player. I don;t know if he would have made a huge difference.
My main grievance is that we give him £80k a week and spent £7mil for him to play for us and then we didn’t play him in a match that made sense for us to play him in. Having said that this match didn’t turn out the way I hoped at all and I doubt a defender would have made much difference.
wages
That’s only going on heresay….it could be that or more or less….who knows!
We're going on newspaper reports
This is a bizarre assertation
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:10 PM GMT up reply actions
And we all know
That they don’t know their backside from their elbow!
Right
Because you don’t like it, you’re not going to believe it. In this world did Fernando Torres cost £12M pounds with a salary of £20,000 a week?
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:14 PM GMT up reply actions
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I posted above that it may well be true….why are you getting the arse just because I’m offering a different opinion?
Because your opinion is apparently that discussion about Cahill's wages is inappropriate because it's hearsay
The newspapers have the transfer amount correct, the other evidence points to high wages, and there are no contradictory reports.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:19 PM GMT up reply actions
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I couldn’t care less what his wages are…my issue is that people are writing him off due to a) not being Chelsea quality, b) being paid too much c) a combination of both or even d) being a replacement for fan’s favourite Alex. Let’s do the proper thing and judge him on how he performs in a Chelsea shirt.
The proper thing is judging Cahill as a player based on what you know of a player
Cahill as an acquisition is dependent on a) his cost and b) his ability. The fact that I have grave misgivings about both does not mean that I am somehow in the wrong because he’s not played yet.
I might be wrong. I don’t think I am.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:30 PM GMT up reply actions
Graham, Do we have someone over here from the Vienna Suite ?
by Rohi D on Feb 2, 2012 2:54 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
We have the 2nd best thing
It’s hard to see Cahill becoming a regular starter at Chelsea anytime soon. He hasn’t had a particularly good season (although he’s been one of Bolton’s best players), and even when he was performing well, it was still for a club like Bolton, which is not the same as looking good for Chelsea. With the likes of John Terry and David Luiz already at Chelsea he would have to impress quite a lot at training to ascend from the probable backup sub and Carling Cup player he may be.
The point is I was annoyed that we recently bought him
And one of our first choice CBs was injured and we failed to play him. Not bothered about the amount. Just that we had the perfect chance to give him his first start (against a supposedly weaker-side) and then decided not to play him. I don’t think it would of made a difference in the end but in general I would of expected him to play. Wasn’t what annoyed me about yesterday.
that's fair enough.
I too was disappointed as I thought it would be the perfect game for him to start with Ivanovic back at RB.
Players need time to gel
And it seems that a CB would take more time to gel with his other defenders in comparison with say…a holding midfielder or striker.
AVB has 4 months to prove he is the man to take Chelsea forward.
If Chelsea fails to qualify for the CL then he should be sacked. As far as I’m concerned he is beginning to behave like Arsene Wenger and we all know the last time Arsenal won anything. His insistence on playing the same people in the same way and expecting a different result is the definiton of madness.
Just casually looking around I notice that all our rivals bought/loaned someone to help their team. 3 above 32 players were gotten. Henry for Arsenal, Scholes for Man Utd and David Pizarro for Man City. Heck, Aston Villa got Keane… Chelsea should have loaned someone, at least, until the end of the season. Not replacing Anelka is the height of arrogance and everyone from AVB to Emenalo and even Torres is to blame if it all goes to sh*t at the end of the season.
Rant over.
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by Iced O on Feb 1, 2012 6:31 PM GMT via mobile reply actions
But they are better than no one at all
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by Iced O on Feb 1, 2012 6:59 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
We should have signed Beckham
A winger and can even play attacking midfielder and is (at least was) creative.
If we don't qualify for CL
I want Klopp or Guardiola and if we don’t get them I am okay with AVB continuing.
I like Klopp very much
but what tells us, or might be indicating, that he’ll do better than AVB, once he was in charge here with us? By the way that has always been the same question I asked again and again everytime we discussed getting rid of a manager anew, so if nothing new could be given as answers, I won’t be surprised. The names may have changed, the situation would be the same
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
I don't want to sack AVB
But if we don’t qualify for CL and those two could come then I might let AVB leave.
Most likely and preferred scenario: We qualify for CL and AVB stays.
Ah OK so all you meant was
those two were your preferred choices if we were stupid enough to push the big red button again?
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
You seem to be having a rough week. Very angry lately.
United having to loan a 92-year-old midfielder is not a sign of strength.
Arsenal having to loan a fading-star is not a sign of strength.
Why would need to “replace” Anelka? He barely played!
You seem to forget how much success Wenger had earlier in his Arsenal career. If AVB follows at anywhere near the same level, we will be VERY happy.
I get what he means.
But we didn;t need a replacement for Anelka. That was Danny Sturridge. Back up CF who also plays as a RW. We needed to replace Malouda and Kalou seeing as we never play them any more. And we need to never play Malouda as a CM again. He wasn’t good in the second half but in the first half he lost the ball every time he touched it.
I was crying for Piazon to replace Malouda all match
every time I see him play, his body language says that he stopped trying a couple years ago.
Yeah I would have preffered a completely untested teenager to Malouda yesterday.
He just can’t do anything at the minute.
I'm just disapointed that the same problems Chelsea have for the past 1 and a half seasons has been ignored.
We’ve known for a very LONG time that we need creativity. And yet have done the square root of [fun] all about it. It truly saddens me. Whether it’s Emenalo, AVB or Roman, choosing to not bring in creativity is like suicide. We could have loaned some creativity, bought some cheap creativity or splurged on some creativity but relying on just Mata is stupid…
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by Iced O on Feb 1, 2012 7:11 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
In this paragraph you have complained that Chelsea have done nothing about creativity
Whilst naming the player we brought in last summer in order to try to provide some creativity.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:12 PM GMT up reply actions
Yeah in the summer we played 4-2-3-1
With Benayoun in the whole. I think Mata was bought to play there but I think AVB fell our with Kalou and Anelka and didn’t want to play Malouda so we seemed to stick with 4-3-3. I think if we have two CM’s and Malouda we should always play 4-2-3-1
Actually no. Mata was not played in central midfield which was were creativity was sorely lacking and why we were chasing Modric and Pastore
The Nigerian Perspective!
Creativity is creativity
It doesn’t matter where a player is nominally stationed.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 PM GMT up reply actions
of course it does
It is always better to have your main creative outlet as a central players rather than out on the flank. Creative wingers are usually secondary sources rather than ones who orchestrate the attack.
Man Utd are having the same problem because they are relying on their wingers to do the creative work rather than have a central player who bosses the midfield. If they had a decent creative man in the middle instead of Carrick/Anderson/Cleverly/Giggs, there would be no stopping them.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 AM GMT up reply actions
Wow, someone explained my point
Glad I didn’t have to. I 100% agree with you…
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That's interesting, because the point is spurious
The number one offence in the Premier League uses wide creators, unless you think Yaya Toure is somehow a creative force. Manchester United are weak because they don’t have any creative players – Nani, Valencia and Young are all direct, and their centre is awful.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 AM GMT up reply actions
Silva plays through the centre a lot
Although they present a 4-4-2 to the media often, they play 4-2-3-1 with Silva in the whole and Aguero on the wing very often.
I dont see how you don’t consider Nani, Valencia and Young as non-creative players. Certainly Mata is not that much more creative than them.
Lsatly, Yaya does have some creative influences? yes, he isn’t Modric or Snjieder, but he is the same sort of a more physical creative player which Lampard used to be. He plays in the hole for them sometimes and he can create attacks pretty well.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 AM GMT up reply actions
This is almost entirely wrong
Silva starts on the wing in a 4-2-3-1 and then wanders wherever he feels like*. He virtually never starts in the hole behind the striker.
*i.e. he has the same role as Mata.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 AM GMT up reply actions
Nani, Valencia and Young are pure wingers
I don’t consider them creative players because they’re not.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 AM GMT up reply actions
Check the soccernet heat maps
Silva’s average position is in the centre of the park, every time.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:49 AM GMT up reply actions
That's what happens when your wingers switch side during matches
by Graham MacAree on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 AM GMT up reply actions
fine, watch them play
he plays through the centre
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 AM GMT up reply actions
Telling me to 'watch them play' is a bannable offence
Retroactive to the previous comment.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 2, 2012 1:56 AM GMT up reply actions
Yes City and Utd
Don’t have a creative CM and that’s what they both are lacking. A deep lying playmaker. All of us, CIty and Utd would improve a lot if they had a player like Modric. So I really want Sahin.
Wasn't it Ferguson who said the most dangerous players are the ones
who come from wide positions towards the goal?
He also said he'd retire ten years ago
Never trust him
I can see the video getting created for YouTube already!
Different kind of YT clips, friends. Not the kind we use to say he is a good or bad manager.
We've purchased a few players to address our creativity issues
Mata is the primary one, but Luiz has shown an ability to unlock a defense with a pass. He’s not perfect at it, but he has created. Romeu has done pretty well to usurp Mikel in the holding role and to do more forward passes and less of the backwards variety. We also signed Torres in the hope of going towards a team that does something other than Cech lumping it forward to Drogba, or sending 80% of our attacks up the left flank.
We’ve gotten younger, we’ve cleared out some of the old, high wage players Anelka, Ballack, Deco, Anelka, Carvalho, and we’ve been putting massive investments into players ages 15-23. I don’t know what else we could be doing. :(
Good point
problem is that this is turning out to be a slow process and football fans like quick results!I also feel that the whole rebuilding process should have started a year or 2 sooner!
We definitely should have loaned like a winger or something
So we can bring someone who isn’t Malouda off the bench if Mata or Danny aren’t having the best game. Especially now when Kalou is injured…although i wouldn’t have been too happy with Kalou coming on regardless.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:36 AM GMT up reply actions
I feel we should've loaned someone too. Someone with a bit of creativity so we're not relying
completely on little Juan Mata.
I wish Roman would swallow his pride and go crawling back to Mourinho!
Never going to happen though!
LOLZ, I hope you're joking
Mourinho? That fulcrum of creativity? The master of the 1-0 win?! The man who practices a scorched earth policy towards success, everything else be damned? The man with a bigger collection of tinfoil hats than the people who think we faked the Moon landing?
C’MON!
say what you like the but the guy gets results!
I’d rather watch Chelsea win things with Mourinho’s boring efficient style than struggle to qualify for Europe and win nothing while playing terrible football. I remember when we were under Mourinho and had Robben and Duff on the wings and Joe Cole in fine form, we created many more goal scoring chances and scored more goals than we have this season. I wouldn’t call the current Madrid playing style boaring, they are scoring for fun these days!Also he was always able to create a great team spirit and the players were always highly motivated, things we could definately use now!Also if Roman had just left Mourinho to get on with the job we would certainly have would the Champions League by now. He won 5 trophies in 3 seasons, in the 4 since we have managed 3 and don’t look much like adding to that any time soon!
by conorjmartin on Feb 2, 2012 12:31 PM GMT up reply actions
He's actually started to play better attacking football.
He used to drill the side to defend and attack on the counter and just rely on the quality of his players to get the 1-0 win. He actually know works on the attack with Madrid.
True but even at Chelsea he wasn't too bad at getting goals out of the team!
We managed 72 league goals in his 1st and 2nd seasons.Since Abramovic took over the club there has only been 1 season when we managed more than that, when we went goal crazy in 2009-2010!72 mightn’t be spectacular but its better than most!
I really think the complaints for AVB have been exaggerated
I sure have a few problems with him like Ryan not playing, why did he sign Raul when Arteta and Pjanic moved the same day for lesser money and why aren’t the players motivated. But they are bound to be somethings that don’t go our way. I was and am still ready to give AVB time.
Arteta is a better player than Raul but I think he needed a back up CM
So he got someone he knew in for relatively little money. Imagine how pissed off you’d be if we sold a Fabregas level player and bought Arteta to replace him. It was a decent deal to give us a little bit more squad depth. It just happened to coincide with Lampard losing everything except his goal scoring and Raul became a starter.
LOUD NOISES!
This is why I love this site.
I love the dichotomy of people criticism AVB for shutting out the youngsters, and then turning around and criticizing him for signing ONLY youngsters!
We criticized AVB for a shoddy defense early on. He’s shored that up. But now we want to eat our cake, too (and not just have it), and we still want a free-flowing offense.
He’s still not comfortable with the vultures in the English media, who continue to eat him up mercilessly. But that’s hardly his fault. Maybe he just needs to pull a Ferguson and boycott some of them.
And let’s not underestimate the magnitude of the task facing him – of having to phase a generation of stars and try to usher in a new era. Winston Churchill may run into some trouble trying to motivate his troops in circumstances such as that.
I’m not saying he’s blameless. He’s got a bit of Uncle Carlo going on currently – doing the same thing over & over and expecting different. Let’s see if he can recover “actively” rather than just waiting for the ship to right itself (like Carlo did).
Carlo didn't let the ship 'right itself'
He righted it. He switched the formation to a 4-4-2 for a while and grinded back a few results (in a very ugly way, i admit). We then got some players back from injuries and he went back to the 4-3-3 and then we were back on track.
As for the AVB cleaning up the defense and us complaining about having a bad attack now – oh, are we not allowed to ask for a good defense AND a good attack? are we meant to choose?
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 AM GMT up reply actions
Since January 1st
City – 9 points, 1 loss
United – 9 points, 1 loss
Spurs – 7 points, 2 losses
Chelsea – 8 points, 0 losses
Liverpool – 4 points, 2 losses
Arsenal – 0 points, 3 losses
We sucked yesterday. We still drew. We’re not going to win the title, but we are not in some sort of crisis either
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 6:50 PM GMT reply actions 1 recs
our wins haven't been convincing
But I take them
by Bmoney556 on Feb 1, 2012 6:59 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Interesting...
Though if we look past the stats and look at the opposition it probably makes worse reading. :-(
Not really
Sunderland, Swansea, and Norwich are all good teams that were in excellent form when we faced them. We haven’t had an easy schedule even though we have faced a top 6 side in January.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 7:16 PM GMT up reply actions
Clearly people define crisis as different things here
Coming fourth in my book is definitely a crisis. It would be our worst finish in the new era.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 AM GMT up reply actions
Some of us
might define “era” differently, as well then ;) For instance, a lot of folks associate an era in sports with a management regime. In which case, fourth doesn’t look so bad.
It’s not relegation, it’s still CL… is it where we’d like to be? No. But the ramifications for ending in fourth versus first is one less trophy/title. Expectations are simply different amongst the fanbase. Some folks didnt expect to finish in first or very high, so they’re not as worried.
By era i meant the Abromovich era
Since it brought a massive change to the club.
I think we have the right to expect a better finish. Chelsea has been the second best team in England for the last 7 years or so and this can’t be construed as anything else than a decline. Fans have the right to be upset with a decline.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:21 AM GMT up reply actions
and we have the right to be aggrieved if we dont
Considering the status of our club for the last couple of years, and the amount we spend, we have no excuse finishing behind Tottenham (I know they’ve bought a lot of players too). City are a problem because they have limitless money, but it is the club’s fault that they failed to make adequate reinforcements in the wake of City and Tottenham’s additions over the last two years.
Hell, we have the full right to be upset with no trophies for two years!
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:24 AM GMT up reply actions
...is this a serious response
Supporters have no “right” to anything. If you’re a true fan then you’ll be one regardless of where we finish in the league.
This attitude of entitlement is exactly why old-school Chelsea fans hate all the gloryhunting morons. If winning trophies is your only reason to support a club then kindly fuck off.
May it's not only because we the fans want our team to win trophies
Sure we fans always want our team winning trophies. Another fear, however, always lingers that our club likes to sack managers if they finish trophyless, and there are fans who hope this could stop, because sacking managers after short intervals ain’t that cunning
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
I don't get why Newcastle are still being completely dismissed as rivals!
We are more than half way through the season and they are now officially our nearest rivals with more points than Liverpool or Arsenal having played the same number of games. They do have a very thin squad but they also only have one competition to worry about and they should have Cisse and Demba Ba back for the weekend since they are out of the ACON!
Please understand that I was being serious when I said EVERYONE is to blame not just AVB.
From the Torres loving fans to the CPO, Roman, Ray Wilkins and his silly punditry, Pastore, Daniel Levy, Torres, Dr. Eva, Cech, Drogba and Torres.
Just saying.
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by Iced O on Feb 1, 2012 6:58 PM GMT via mobile reply actions
You can't honestly blame Dr. Eva!
Her efforts got Essien out on the pitch! Arsenal would’ve killed to get her if it meant Wilshere coming back sooner. ;)
by Avinash Mohan on Feb 2, 2012 8:31 PM GMT up reply actions
Fun facts
Chelsea in the following categories:
Shots per game – 18.2, 3rd (Spuds 18.7, Utd 18.3)
Shots conceded per game – 10.3, 1st (City, Arsenal 11.4 in 2nd)
Possession – 56.4%, 3rd (Le Arse, City)
Pass completion – 85.5%, 2nd (City 85.8)
We’re doing quite a few things very well, but we are undoing them by fouling in stupid locations and defending set pieces very poorly. We’re also putting far too few of our shots on target in comparison to other top teams, something which needs to be corrected going forward.
So with all this talk of creativity what we actually need is a finisher
If we buy Hazard and Moura in the summer I doubt we’re getting a new striker. Torres is gunna have to start scoring soon.
Mostly what I was trying to say
When I wrote this fanpost at the end of 2011. I feel like if I updated the data it would actually support my argument even more now.
We have the players to get the ball into the back of the net, they just aren’t doing it. (that being said we could definitely use the help from a certain Mr. Hazard…)
by AmericanChelseaFans on Feb 2, 2012 3:16 PM GMT up reply actions
I still think the issue is creating
When did we last see a brilliant through ball played by a Chelsea player? Many of are shots would be long rangers by Merireles and over optimistic shots by Sturridge.
could not agree more
Look, you can show me stats and all but I’ve watched every game this season bar the ones which were aired. Our problem is definitely the build-up of attack.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 AM GMT up reply actions
"When did we last see a brilliant through ball played by a Chelsea player?"
Funnily enough, I think it was Meireles who did it. It was Danny’s first goal of the season against Sunderland, I think.
ManU?
I may be totally misremembering a few of our chances and stuff, but I thought that Anelka’s pass to Torres for the goal was a through ball, no? In that same game, and with the giant miss, I feel like Ramires did some great pass.. I can’t remember if it was a through ball or not.
I suppose I could look up YT clips, but 1) I am lazy right now, and 2) I’m feeling generous about letting others prove me wrong on this one. There may have been more recent ones, but those come to mind, given this weekend’s competition. There aren’t a ton, though, that is for sure. Most of Chelsea’s players definitely enjoy an easy pass. It wouldn’t hurt for some of the guys to become a little more crafty and confident in passing. I dunno yet whether I feel a purchase would help… I sort of want the guys we have to learn to do it.
Mata’s turn against Newcastle was sublime , Torres i think has been 1 of our better playmakers / assists this season , (Not hat we spent 50 million for) , but somehow u feel as if when a good balll DOES come in there’s nobody waiting to receive it in the box , Malouda looks o so uninterested nowadays , reminds me of the French team @ the 2010 World Cup this Chelsea team ,
all I can say is:
AVB needs to fix only a few things and this team is in the right direction going forward. The players need to start attacking the ball in the box better and the finishing has to improve. once AVB gets those things fixed, we’ll be a pretty good team on the road to being great (as our youth develops)
hear me out.
i have been following the post of especially graham. it seems like sometimes he cannot makes his point without slating in a way the rest of the chelsea fans. I dnt knw how anyone one will defend the boas after yesterdays perfromance. Am not surprised. we r used to his comical tactics. but i respect ur views n i pray u respect the rest of us who thinks he jst cant do the job for now. let him prove us wrong.
A coach does not play a match n run for 90mins but its paid almost as the players. why? he needs to think for the team. if plays r playing well it him if they r sucking like torres n mereiles is also him period. thats why he is paid as if he runs 90 mins. n he is failing.
is this the whizz kid under Mou. awestriken by his showings sometime.
for the first time i REALLY REALLY REALLY miss Carlo. pls graham dnt slate me. i watch the same match as u. thanx
let him prove his worth
dats all am asking. for now he is FAILING. i wish he proves his worth. dats wt we all want.
Well you said "comical tactics"
And there is no sign yet AVB’s gonna change that
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
I am slating people who say stupid things
I don’t care who people support, frankly. If you’re a Chelsea fan and you say that Florent Malouda is playing well, I’ll slate you. If you’re a Chelsea fan and you’re giving Andre Villas-Boas crap for the wrong reasons, I’ll slate you. This isn’t difficult.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:32 PM GMT up reply actions
but i think respect for ppls views matter to you to.
pple hear r either chelsea fans of pple who know football n i wld want u to respect that. Bless you
So here's the thing
I understand most people here are Chelsea fans. They’re free to disagree with me. They do. Loudly. I’m free to disagree with them. I express my disagreement by disagreeing with them.
So what are you saying? That I should be less combative with my disagreement? I have no idea how you can dispute a point without actually disputing said point, but if you have any advice…
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:41 PM GMT up reply actions 1 recs
i think u view r good n i normally like them
i jst think u would put it across as a strong view bereft of a lil scorn on those who disagree. i sometimes have problems with ppls comments. but wt can u do than to state ur point strongly. I jst think ur point is trong ,yes n interesting. jst a lil harsh sometimes. but hey buddy u r doing a grt work with ur write ups. me like it…:)
What do you mean by "slate"?
Is that like banning? Or just ripping into? Because that seems pretty harsh if it’s banning. Theres definitely room for legitimate disagreements that might be perceived as “stupid” by someone with a differing opinion.
Just sayin.
by FootieFromAfar on Feb 2, 2012 5:06 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
I am not Graham
but I am certain he means “rip into” in that context.
More fun facts
On the last day of the window both last season and this season we had played 23 games. Last season we were on 39 points. This season we are on 42. Last season was not an ACoN year. This season was. We’re conceding 3 shots fewer per game than we allowed last season. We’re attempting 1/2 a shot more per game than we averaged last season. Our possession is up. Our pass completion percentage is the same (0.1% lower). We’re better than we were last year under Carlo, and without some stupid individual fuckups it wouldn’t be close.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 7:33 PM GMT up reply actions 2 recs
Well it's a slow improvement
But hopefully Andre will get some more players in the summer and get rid of the rubbish ones.
n u seriously think these stats impress the Roman owner?
Stephen u knw that Roamn doesnt give a rip to these stats. he wants good football n winning. n sadly now we r way to crappy
If Roman or anyone else who's in charge
is mad enough to push the big red panic button again, there’s nothing AVB could do to change that
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
he has a target if u r forgetting
n i pretty much think stats abt him being better than Carlo is not part. Roman didnt spend over a billion pounds to do prove u r good than carlo competition (sarcasm)
I am having difficulty understanding your comments
Could you please write in more legible English?
by Graham MacAree on Feb 1, 2012 7:46 PM GMT up reply actions
I don't know if I understood correctly
or if it’s my own language incapabilities … but if Roman or anyone expected AVB do work miracles, then they’re beyond help. You can only compare what you have and what is possible, not what you dream of. If we dream of AVB coming in and he wins CL and EPL for us just because Roman spent that 13m GPB for activating that buyout clause then there’s nothing that could be done about that. It won’t happen
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
am sorry my english wasnt soo legible
but my point is he has targets and he should be moving towards those targets or atleast be seen to be moving towards them. at the moment he has not done anything Carlo has not done and probably worse. Not not about miracles it about performance that produces results. and at the moment we are all not happy about it. unless you do not watch us anymore.
I think you might be wrong
Last year we were 41 points from 23 games, and now were on 42. However, the teams above us last year also had less points…Arsenal had 46 in second place which meant we were only 5 points away from second place whereas now were 12 points away from second place, 7 away from 3rd. That is no way near the same.
As to the conceding less shots per game and pass completion rates…come on man…that is so irrelevant…stats can be so useless in football. Attempting 1/2 a shot more per game doesn’t mean we’re improving… it means that players are shooting more often. Are we scoring more goals? according to that table, no, we scored one goal less. It means we’re playing about the same. Possession – arsenal have incredible possession every season and they haven’t won a season in like 7 years.
Possession is probably one of the more useful stats – it does give an indication of whether a team is more controlling, i agree. But in the end of the day, better possession averages doesn’t directly mean a team is better than another.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:16 AM GMT up reply actions
I think it should also be pointed out that there is more depth to the squad this year!
I remember when we went through that awful spell last season the team was missing a lot of key players like Drogba and Lampard,the squad was so thin that at times the bench was made up entirely of youth team players with even 16 and 17 year olds making the bench!That bad run aside we were as good as anyone last season!
Our bench has been thin this year as well
Bossy at CB when Brani got hurt? Ferreira getting starts? Piazon on the bench? Hutch? Lukaku, Josh, and Chalobah? We’re starting a 19 year old regularly as well. The squad may in fact be a little deeper this year, but much of our key talent is a year older and showing decline (such as Cole, Cech, and Lamps).
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 2, 2012 2:29 PM GMT up reply actions
Odd
Soccernet has us at 39 for the same timeframe. When you add up the raw totals though you get 41. The point still remains though that AVB hasn’t yet done a major overhaul to this squad and is getting a better performance in general. We’re criticizing him based on the teams of several years ago, we should be looking at what he actually has.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 2, 2012 2:26 PM GMT up reply actions
Here, as for possession
Arsenal have the best possession in the league. They are coming seventh. Swansea have the 5th best possession, they are coming 14th. I’d prefer lower possession and better placement.
by Doron Shmilovits on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 AM GMT up reply actions
Thanks for posting this. I feel much better already.
by danishchelsea on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 AM GMT via Android app up reply actions
if a coach cannot change underperforming players
then he deserves to go. wt is he afraid of? he will b sacked anyway if these fat underperformers continue. wt is AVB afarid of? Roman is watching n he knows it.
So it's AVB's fault that Malouda, Drogba, Lampard, and Cole are finally past their prime?
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 7:34 PM GMT up reply actions
then let him change something
dat all we ask. he had the chance didnt he?
Such as what?
In the summer we’ll probably be able to offload some of the deadwood, it wasn’t going to happen in January.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 2, 2012 2:30 PM GMT up reply actions
When you profiled Cesar Azpilicueta
You stated how he was oddity in that he was a LEFT footed player operating at Rightback. For lack of something better to do, I was doing my own little recon on him, and what I’ve ended up reading in most places, is that Azpilicueta is RIGHT footed, rather than left. FIFA stats, transfer market tab-keeper sites, even checked the FIFA & PES in-game databases on my cousin’s laptop just to be sure. So I just want to confirm, he is very much a regular right-footed traditional RB isn’t he? Or have you read/seen something I haven’t? If maybe Graham or another reader could answer this too? Much obliged. :)
Azpilicueta
He was always noted for being a left footed player as he was coming through the youth ranks. thats not to say he’s poor with his right foot by any stretch, but he wasn’t originally a right back either. I wouldn’t normally recomend using video game databases for that type of info as they are fairly often not that accurate. When I get back to my laptop I’ll try to link you a few things that suggest he’s left footed. It will likely be a while though…
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 8:14 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
I checked a number of sites, ]transfermarket.co.uk was one of them I think], they said Right, and then just glanced at the in-game stats just like that.
I mean, I don’t really know, I was totally taken aback the first time I read your profile, because I guess a Leftie RB would be a total novelty by football standards I guess. Ofcourse Rightie LBs exist, such as the phenomenal Davide Santon [!!] but still. Please do confirm though. Although Cesar might quite possibly have developed his right-foot significantly enough to use it as his primary one, your guess is as good as mine. No doubt possessing such a dextrous player is a major help for emergency positional adjustment! The video you posted in your original article showed Azpilicueta scoring with his right, just mentioning.
Ironically enough
Santon developed as a right back and just recently started playing the left
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 1, 2012 8:51 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
I know, yup.
I was kinds hoping we’d step in on that New castle bid in the offseason window, bring him to Chelsea, & maybe return him to his preferred right side. I mean with Maicon peaking when he did, it was hardly Santon’s fault, even though he still does a really admirable job at LB.
Bolton got the worst of it.
Yeah we kinda suck right now…..
Official troll of WAGNH
by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 PM GMT up reply actions
Yeah... at least he was a little more even-handed?
Progress? The Davies dive was the call I managed to see.
I'm probably one of the louder AVB critics that frequents the site
I consistently have problems with his player selection and formation choices. Also, the overall “sleepiness” of Chelsea drives me crazy. I constantly find myself yelling at the TV for them to just “play harder!” and such.
That being said, I really want to give AVB more time and hope that Chelsea does too. If he had as big a hand in bringing Mata, Miereles (which as I said yesterday, seemed a good enough signing at the time), and Romeu to the team as I suspect he did, them he’s certainly got us on the right track. We’re definitely a team in transition, and for better or worse we need to actually let this play out for once and see where we end up. Part of Chelsea’s biggest problem over the last few years is that we’re still just the core of Mourinho’s team with random bits and pieces added on, but no clear vision of what the hell we’re supposed to be, like some awful steam punk frankenstein counter-attack monster trying to play “beautiful football”.
Everything about how the team has moved in terms of the “big picture” since AVB took over (buying youth, giving certain youths a chance, emphasis on passing and buildup, etc etc) is really exciting as far as the upcoming seasons are concerned. It’s just that he’s stuck with some old pieces that can’t be moved and some new pieces that have yet to fully gel.
But I still wish he made different choices in terms of formations, lineups, and substitutions WITH THE TEAM HE HAS NOW. Yes, he’s driving someone else’s car, and I suspect that once he gets his own car it’ll be awesome, but he still keeps driving it into trees and ditches
by FootieFromAfar on Feb 2, 2012 5:01 AM GMT via mobile reply actions
Avb is a stubborn incorrigble young man.
He would not. And Roman would likely have his head if after 2 years things do not dramatically improve.
I RATHER SEE HIM PLAYING THE TYPE OF SOCCER LIKE AGAINST MAN UNITED AND OTHERS @ THE BEGINING OF THE SEASON , WAS ENTERTAINING TO WATCH , JJUST THE HIGH DEFENSIVE LINE WAS THE PROBLEM ….
Another interesting figure is the total spend of Abramovich here , okay Im all for investing and what what but i mean these players have played under 7 different managers over the last few years , Man United had 1 over the last 25 , I bet had we maybe had kept a few of our managers longer there woulda been better players coming through the ranks , we can also do with a new negociator to bring in new talent ,
















