Report: Chelsea FC to submit a 2nd bid for Lucas Moura
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 4, 2012 2:41 AM GMT
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PrintSeveral sources out of Brazil have been reporting today that Chelsea FC will be re-entering the fray for young phenom Lucas Moura with an improved bid in the region of €35 million. Normally I'd write this kind of thing off as typical media speculation around the deadline, but several of the sources reporting this are ones that have been especially informed in our Piazon and Deco dealings previously. For those of you who may have missed it, we did a little profile of Lucas here last month.
The popular rumor around Brazil is that it will be easier to convince Sao Paulo to sell than it will be to convince Moura to leave. Lucas is fairly well paid in Brazil, if most reports are to be believed he's currently the third highest paid player in Brazil. He's also got additional financial incentive to stay around Brazil and let his value climb as high as possible. Where most players economic rights are controlled by a team or combination of the club and an investor, Lucas actually manged to acquire 20% of his own economic rights when he signed his last contract. Twenty percent of the eventual fee for Moura to move to Europe will go directly in the players pocket, so watching his value climb can only help the player financially. Largely because of this I'd rule out all but 4-5 clubs in Europe as potential suitors when you consider both the wages it will take to sign the youngster and the fee to make Sao Paulo part ways with him.
Moura is starting to look like a very legitimate target of the club, much in the mold of Javier Pastore and Luka Modric this past summer. I'd be pretty happy to see us push a little higher than we're rumored to be at to get this one done now even if it requires us to allow him to remain in Brazil until June. Stay tuned, we're probably going to hear a lot more about Moura in the coming weeks as the transfer window heats up.
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I'd be ecstatic to see this as the big move of the window.
My feeling is that he’ll end up not moving.
I have to ask...
…what would be your upper limit on the fee and wage? Would the fact that he’s going to get 7-8m out of this transfer have any impact on his wage demands?
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Just a guess
He’ll probably end up somewhere around 75,000 per week initially which would be huge for a player his age
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 4, 2012 3:10 AM GMT up reply actions
That would be relatively cheap for us, and we'd probably tie him to that for a while...
…and would lessen the hit we’d take if he flamed out. What about fee though? It’ll be huge, but at his age, unless he completely fails[, and someone as talented as he is at this age seems unlikely to,] we’ll be able to get a decent fee from him if he’s not a long-term player here.
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That's what I'm unhappy about
But I don’t think we’ll get a super talented AM, which we need ASAP, for any less.
by el chelsea fuerte on Jan 4, 2012 2:54 AM GMT up reply actions
Good point, but I don't think AM is our problem. I think we're missing a regista, y'know, those Xavi types.
If he’s like Modric, then I’m assuming Moura fits the bill.
I misread at the beginning and thought it was
35m pounds, but above it’s € 35m. Still that’s a lot, but with wages in that region it could be OK for what we would get
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
So looks like this guy is the 'big signing' we're looking for
As excited as I am, I’m lowering my expectations this time so that I don’t feel the same way I felt after Neymar, Pastore and Modric didn’t come :D
But since we’re on it, what are the chances of him coming, Stephen?
by el chelsea fuerte on Jan 4, 2012 2:52 AM GMT reply actions
I doubt he moves this window
It wouldn’t surprise me if we eventually get him though, realistically it’s us and City and the two biggies from Spain that can afford him.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 4, 2012 3:12 AM GMT up reply actions
the other three clubs are absolutely flush with attacking talent.
I have to think that at some point we’ll get one of these awesome talents.
Like Mata?
Or Lukaku? We’re doing ok…
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 4, 2012 3:17 AM GMT up reply actions
Initially, when I skimmed over the title I saw "Lu.. Mo.." and thought we were bidding for Modric again.
But this is much better!
If we bid €35m (!!!) for Modric again
Levy would probably atomrofl … OK that wouldn’t be necessarily a bad thing, though
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Stephen, I'm confused on your comparison to Pastore and Modric. They're two different players.
Pastore is your run-of-the-mill AM/trequartista. Modric, on the other hand, is a regista (deep lying playmaker).
yup
Lucas is completely different from Pastore and Modric. The comparison is that the interest is real.
(he isn't a regista)
lies deep, but not THAT deep.
Proper registas : Xabi Alonso and Pirlo
Modric is “merely” a creative CM, such as Xavi
There are somethings that money can't buy
For everything else you have Abramovic. seriously though , 35m? are those south americans robbing us. i think they have seen the light. the kind of talent they have is treasured all around europe. there must be some kind of fix to all of this. maybe get a feeder club from these regions .. maybe
by Harish Narayanan on Jan 4, 2012 3:07 AM GMT reply actions
Good for them I say
So many good Brazilian players in the past left their home clubs for peanuts, and then their first European club made a fortune off them.
He seems to be a really bright kid
He’s got a particularly savvy agent though in Wagner Ribiero
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 4, 2012 3:14 AM GMT up reply actions
Agreed to stay...
As much as Brazil is getting more competitive wage wise, that’s the kicker that can keep some of these kids there until their value explodes.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 4, 2012 3:18 AM GMT up reply actions
He's a pretty special talent
He’s already right up there with Neymar as the best player in Brazil at 19
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 4, 2012 3:28 AM GMT up reply actions
that's about 20 million too much
for someone who hasn’t kicked a ball in europe. thiago neves, rafael sobis, diego, et al had a lot of hype and none of them could cut it. you normally like to see a young brazilian start out at porto, csk, benfica, or a similarly sized club known for developing talent before paying over the top money for them. even then, you can waste some major cash, like united did with anderson. how much did he cost? 20 million pounds? i’d rather go for gotze. he has excelled in the bundesliga and champions league, and he has put in a few killer performances for germany. he is the real deal
diego was very successful in germany and he is doing well in spain. the other two were never part of the NT team.
You take risks with players always, even when moving them to a neighbor league. Gotta take risks.
Where is the meatloaf?
Not to mention the PL is the hardest league to adjust to. Even if we did our homework, there's
no way to know if this guy would cut it here.
No player can be proven enough to guarantee success
We need only look to Fernando Torres to prove that, was world class in our very own league yet hasn’t done it at all, Andy Carrol/SWP would be other big money examples of this even if they were never of the same level they both, at one point, did enough in the premiership to warrant their respective fees.
Quality Signing Needed
This sort of news is much better than the likes of Krasic and Cahill which have been making me sick to my stomach for the past couple of weeks. He addresses glaring problems we lack in the team which are:
1.) Creativity from the middle and in the final third
2.) Adds another creative dimension to the team if Mata is out injured
3.) He is also a finisher/scorer which we lack
4.) He is young and could come in and make first team
Even though he could encounter a period of adjustment in Europe, he could address immediate problems in the team not the likes of Cahill and Krasic who will be on the bench, no ounce of creativity, getting up there with age and no resale value.
If you monitor what’s been going on in Brazil in the last week, Mario Fernandes is looking like he will leave Gremio. He is a 6ft 2 centre back who can play as a RB and Right Central Back. He is 21, young and most he will cost is 15mm Euros. He refused a call up by the Menedez early last year because he wanted to continue to develop outside the limelight. Real Madrid are interested in him. He is young, versatile, could replace one of the back fours for the future, quality, could be backup for now (unlike Cahill who is demanding a big wage and first team), cheap in salary and a resale value.
Hazard or Moura
Can’t we get hazard with that kind of money? Can’t we just get both of them? If we end up not getting hazard at all,I will be pissed. At least hazard is proven in europe.
by ayx on Jan 4, 2012 7:52 AM GMT via mobile reply actions
Not yet and not now
Firstly Hazard’s likely destination is Real Madrid. Secondly, he has said he is not looking to move this January. Thirdly, he will likely cost 40mm pounds to leave Lille.
I think Hazard is the problem
He seems to want to go to Madrid or Arsenal. Arsenal will never pay that kind of money so I feel he’s destined for Madrid.
Please do…this guy is top notch. He would start in the squad immediately. I also think he would work better with Torres, as after watching Drogba this season he is basically a stiff now who cannot really do much out there – he is not good enough for Chelsea anymore and should be unceremoniously discarded. Now we only need another attacker, and to finish up the Cahill deal, and perhaps land a right back.
Drogba's our 5th all time leading goalscorer!!!
And one of the best strikers ever! I dont thinnk any of our long time serving players should be unceremoniously discarded, especially not great servants like Drogba. It’s bad form, too, because you alienate a lot of other established players, give chelsea a bad reputation to the media and clubs with a reputation for treating players badly are less likely to be attractive to top class players.
Plus there’s no guarentee that Lucas would start immediately – he’s 19, only just a full international and a huge financial risk in the short term. Signing marquee players is often very risky, especially when they’re so young, unused to huge pressure and a different culture – both on the pitch and off it. Having pretigious senior players around helps a lot with continuity in times of transition so we shouldn’t be so quick to agitate for rapid change, it can end up being disasterous
by David Drabble on Jan 4, 2012 3:15 PM GMT up reply actions
I was joking about unceremoniously discarding him. But it appears that they will just let him walk at the end of the season, which is fairly unceremonious..
Sorry man, didn't get that!
Sarcasm over the internet will probably be the cause of the next world war
by David Drabble on Jan 4, 2012 5:09 PM GMT up reply actions
Stephen made a good point regarding his size
He has a nice build and isn’t as flimsy as a Neymar or Robinho. Still lots of challenges when moving to the premier league, but his physical attributes might help him,
He'd be a great add to the team if the rumors are true
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…but I wouldn’t consider myself an expert on the league because I don’t read all of the news and I miss too many games. However, I have three really good friends in the greater Sao Paulo area from when I lived in Brazil in 2005 that I still keep up with nearly every day. Each are season ticket holders and they are all fanatics. One is a Santos fan, another likes Palmeiras, and the other likes Sao Paulo. I polled each of them today asking about Lucas, and the shared view was that he started off the charts a few seasons ago, and looked like the new Messi until the second half of this past season when he tapered off considerably. I then gave them a hypothetical: if Neymar will be sold for 40 million at some point soon, how much is Lucas worth? The Santos fan and the Palmeiras fan both said 15 million, while the Sao Paulo fan said 20. Again, these people aren’t experts, but they follow the Brazilian league the way we follow the EPL, and I think we all could assign a price we’d pay for Andy Johnson, Gareth Bale, Jack Rodwell, or any other young player in the league….
Apparently, he has been quoted as saying that he will not leave in January.
“I expect a better 2012 for myself and the club,” he said.
“Our squad is strong, and with more signings we will get even better.
“I will stay at Sao Paulo. You will see a more motivated Lucas who has a desire to succeed. We lacked a title in 2011 and that is objective for the New Year.”
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