Chelsea FC Transfer News: On Willian And Lucas Moura
by Graham MacAree on Jan 27, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
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Andre Villas-Boas talked about more than his involvement (or lack thereof) in the putative Kevin de Bruyne transfer from Genk at his pre-QPR-match press conference on Friday. Chelsea's manager also discussed another target who's been talked about plenty around here over the past few days - Shakhtar Donetsk winger Willian. Last we checked, both Shakhtar and Willian himself were busy talking up the possibility of a move within the next few days, but Villas-Boas has poured some cold water on that rumour:
[Willian] is an interesting player but I don't think we are going to progress with our interest. Because of work permit, because of price valuation and because the fact that our project next year is more important than the actual project at the moment, Not that Willian doesn't have those characteristics for the future but we are betting a lot on what we can build on next year.
-Source: ChelseaFC.com.
Some interesting wording there: "our project next year is more important than the actual project at the moment". That's a flat-out admission that Chelsea are in a transition year and that the club is essentially building for a major push in the 2012/13 season, which is fascinating because if we don't finish in the top four this season our finances take a rather nasty hit which I'm not sure the club can afford. If Chelsea focus on buying in the summer and lose out on a Champions League spot... yikes. Not making a new signing before the window closes would be a pretty desperate gamble*.
*One I can get behind, however.
In semi-related news, the Telegraph has come up with an interesting claim regarding another Brazilian: Sao Paolo's Lucas Moura, a We Ain't Got No History favourite. Since they haven't got anyone to talk about this on the record, take it with a grain of salt:
Chelsea are determined to see off other leading European clubs by signing the Brazilian teenage prodigy, who has a release clause worth £66 million, although he would actually cost considerably less.They are trying to complete the deal this month, although if successful they are likely to loan the player back to Sao Paulo for the rest of the season.
That sound you just heard was Stephen screaming in rather painful glee. Are we going to land Lucas Moura? I have no idea, but it sounds a lot more likely right now than it did yesterday.
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Well all this remains to be seen
I don’t think we have the right sort of team to automatically say we are going to finish top 4, there’s just too many question marks.
Having said that I’m glad the club is willing to be patient and not make rash decisions. We all knew this was going to be a competitive rebuilding year and its taken shape nicely. I do think we need that extra piece in order to assure us that we’ll finish top 4 at least but clearly finances are a problem now and we have to be smart about how we spend.
AVB seems to have great patience and I think his influence is having an effect on the board, its a marathon not a sprint we need to make smart moves going forward.
Having said that buying Moura at a decent price would be AMAZING! Keeps with the Brazilian influx and man would he add a degree of dynamism for years to come! I really like him and if this is true I will… do something completely out of character just not sure what yet.
Not if Moura is signed
1970 - 1984 - 2010
"Vamos Fluzão, vamos ganhar
Eu sou do clube tantas vezes campeão!
Vim pra torcer, vim pra gritar
E por você a vida inteira vou cantar!"
and the telegraph are consistently the most accurate paper
It seems they have a good source at Chelsea. They consistently have good intel on what’s happening. Soooo let’s hope cause Wilian looks a little to Walcott for me. Lots of speed but less control. Lucas is the real deal.
by joady on Jan 28, 2012 12:32 AM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
What have they been right about in the past?
Not questioning your opinion just want to know what’s lead you to this conclusion
This time last year they broke the Torres story
by Graham MacAree on Jan 28, 2012 12:42 AM GMT up reply actions
So you believe they are consistently the most informed as well?
This bodes well for us!
Yeah, I'd trust the Telegraph more than others when reporting on rumours
That doesn’t mean I trust them entirely, but this is much more interesting than if the Mail or Guardian had said it
by Graham MacAree on Jan 28, 2012 12:47 AM GMT up reply actions
Nice! I have no idea how to rank these UK papers they all
seem like rubbish to me.
Just remember that...
the Daily Mail and the Mirror are rubbish. That’s a basic rule to go by.
by Dlewis on Jan 28, 2012 1:39 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Basically, if they have a red colour scheme on their website
Or are the Daily Mail, you should ignore them.
If they’re the Telegraph then there’s a chance they might be on to something.
Or if the site has
lovely pictures of lovely women loading before the actual content you’ve clicked on has been loaded, this is another sign as well
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
Or if the lovely women ARE the actual content you've clicked on...
…Maybe you’re on the wrong type of site…
Erm ... if the lovely women is what is of interest
then I know better sites than the papers … *cough … I mean … hey! This is the internet! It would break down without … erm … ladies …
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
There are a couple of "true" ladies around
and second you don’t know if I’m a lady or not … :P
Tor ilisar'thera'nal!
Big focus and hope on summer squad upgrade...
This is the right strategy. Willian is not a game changer. Wait and put his money plus whatever it takes into getting Hazard, Gotze or Moura in the summer. New RB, one of these attackers, and maybe even one more creative midfielder. That’s the AVB plan.
I find it odd that so many write off
Willian having not seen him play. Anyways he’s been mentioned in the same breath as Moura and Hazard which means the board value him highly. Speaking of the Board I am extremely excited about the players we have acquired or tried to in the past year and and half(Torres aside of course) Luiz, Mata, Romeu, Ramires, Courtois and Piazon look class! and trying hard to grab Modric, Neymar, Moura, Hazard, Willian, Aguero etc. show we are identifying the right talent, if we continue with this path we will be one of Europe’s elite before the year is out.
I'm not so sure of that
I think he’s a tidy little player who can still get better. He has loads of technical ability and great pace down the flanks depending on what the price is for him we could have a steal on our hands. People don’t get to see him play that’s why I think the valuation was around 16M.
You forgot to mention Islam Feruz and Kenneth Omeruo
I especially looking forward to Kenneth for obvious patriotic reasons!
The Nigerian Perspective!
Too old for the current 'project'?
What happened to the Montoya rumours? Did he sign a new contract?
by Avinash Mohan on Jan 28, 2012 3:05 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry,sorry my bad!
I thought I’d read somewhere he was 28 or so. Oh well. He’s a pretty good player. And he’ll probably be available cheaper than Azpilicueta and the others we’ve been linked with.
by Avinash Mohan on Jan 29, 2012 8:18 PM GMT up reply actions
Willian's price was far too rich for what he is
Which is a quality player, but not elite or top-class by any stretch. For what Chelsea’s building towards, there’s little reason to spend some of those resources on a player like Willian when you can pool the money and buy two or three top-class, under-23 youngsters for the long haul – even if it has to wait for the summer window.
I’ll take the chances with Chelsea as constructed finishing in the top four in the EPL – I don’t think it’s a certainty, but I wouldn’t go as far to call it a stretch. We’re clearly the third-most talented team in the Premier League, and the only way to alter that is by following through with the exact plan I previously detailed – and that seems to be the direct course Chelsea management is headed down.
Color me relieved, not to mention very comfortable with the management’s perceived direction.
If we add one more piece this transfer window
Then spend big in the summer on some promising young attackers then we won’t have to spend much for at least a couple of windows.
by Dlewis on Jan 28, 2012 1:41 AM GMT via mobile reply actions
In Short....
We aren’t buying anyone in the transfer window. Cahill and that is it.
I can see a last second push for Hazard
But it’s unlikely
by Dlewis on Jan 28, 2012 4:59 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Never seen lucas moura play, is he actually worth 40 odd mill??
I accept not having seen him but think hazard would be a better investment as brazilian are bound to take time to adapt to Epl—ramires
and you know how the media would hound him??
by manas.agrawal1 on Jan 28, 2012 2:47 AM GMT via mobile reply actions
Ok youtube videos say he is awesome, what’s the actual verdict
by manas.agrawal1 on Jan 28, 2012 2:57 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Hazard's the better player right now, but Lucas Moura is excellent and probably has a higher ceiling
Lucas would take a while to adapt to the league, but so too would Hazard – going from Ligue 1 to the Premier League isn’t a cakewalk either. I’ve not seen enough Sao Paolo matches to know whether he’s really worth the €40M, but he’s been very impressive whenever I’ve had a chance to watch him
by Graham MacAree on Jan 28, 2012 3:01 AM GMT up reply actions
I'm a huge Moura fan
Apparently the club agrees. Our opening bid for Lucas was the same as our opener for Torres and higher than our initial offerings for Pastore or Luka.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 28, 2012 4:42 AM GMT up reply actions
He's pretty awesome
And at 19 years 5 months, he’s got time to refine his game. A lot. As if he needs it.
I really, really, would not like us to gamble like this. Spend now and get some cover for that
little Spanish magician on our team. If he gets injured for any amount of time, we are in some deep doo doo.
I completely agree.
One strong midfielder or winger who would improve upon our current first team line-up is what we need. This decision of Villas-Boas (not purchasing any other players in this window) will either be considered moronic if we finish outside the top 4, or shrewd if we make it. Neither alternative is that fantastic for him.
by Chelsea-Steeler on Jan 28, 2012 4:31 AM GMT up reply actions
I'd prefer saving our funds for the summer then trying to get low-reward, high-risk, little-return stopgaps just to make due for the next four months
Chelsea’s next four years (and likely longer) takes precedent over Chelsea’s next four months. Particularly considering we already more than have the necessary talent to garner a top-4 finish in the Premiership.
The likes of Willian and co. would not be stopgaps. We're not talking about bringing Zola
out of retirement.
With the talent we have, we could totally finish top four. Then again, the same thing can be said of Spurs and Arsenal. One of the three will have to miss out.
You think more of Willian's talent than I do, then
He’s 23, with room to grow – but not a lot – and is a good player – but not great. Talents like Hazard, Moura, Gotze have a chance to be special, world-class players. Compared to the likes of them, yes, I consider Willian a stopgap.
Add to that
I don’t see pool or arsenal going on any sort of noticeable winning streak
so 5 point cushion is gud if we can maintain wins vs lower sides and draw 2 of big 4 games
should be comfortable
by manas.agrawal1 on Jan 28, 2012 5:59 AM GMT via mobile reply actions
Not exactly.
Arsenal is on good player from making a mean run. I’d hate to see Wenger suddenly splurge on a playmaker. RvP would be a bigger terror with a playmaker behind him to feed him the ball or take pressure off of him.
I Get your point but..
I don’t see arsenal buying any1 above 15m and @ this time no creative player would be sold @ that rate….typical wenger
by manas.agrawal1 on Jan 28, 2012 8:26 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
doubt we will loan him back if we get him
hopefully anyway, unless theres work permit issues
by blue_is_the_colour on Jan 28, 2012 7:44 AM GMT reply actions
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