Chelsea FC Transfer Rumours: Fernando Torres Available To PSG, Claims Carlo Ancelotti
by Graham MacAree on Jan 17, 2012 7:51 AM GMT
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I don't have the primary source on to hand this one but Tuesday morning has brought in an interesting few tweets from James Horncastle regarding an interview in Gazzetto Dello Sport with Carlo Ancelotti. If you haven't been paying attention, the loveable former Blues boss has joined forced with Paris Saint-Germain recently, taking the helm of the cash-flushed club. Although the interview is, understandably, mostly about the Ligue 1 side and Ancelotti himself, that doesn't mean there aren't some hugely interesting Chelsea-related tidbits:
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James Horncastle Ancelotti: "Names? Ok now I'll tell you what names the agents are offering on the mkt more or less officially: Tevez, Torres, Berbatov.. 1/2
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The big name there, as far as Chelsea fans are concerned, is Fernando Torres. There's already been some rumblings about the possibility of the thus-far disappointing striker leaving the team this winter, but this is the closest we've gotten to any legitimate source telling us a move is a distinct possibility. Bear in mind that this is an agent talking to Carlo rather than the club looking to offload, but I've outlined the case for Chelsea selling Torrespreviously and despite the slight upturn in form I think that argument still holds.
Torres is, of course, already making a fortune at Stamford Bridge, but at this point in his career he's a mercenary and if PSG can increase his wages there's very little reason for him not to want to take advantage of that offer. Bear in mind that this doesn't mean that there's interest from PSG in acquiring Torres, but the Ligue 1 side have been a pretty obvious fit for the striker from the beginning, and while it would be shocking if Chelsea sold this window, it wouldn't exactly be insane.
I've long been nursing the idea of a Torres for Javier Pastore plus cash deal (nb: don't treat this as a rumour, although I'd like it to be), and it seems like the window's a little more open to that sort of idea than it had been int he past.
Oh, and I'm glad Carlo ended up at the Parc de Princes rather than White Hart Lane:
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James Horncastle Ancelotti confirms his original intention was to take a year out + hope that either the Spurs or Arsenal job came available in the summer
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Torres for Pastore
The only way this will make sense will be if we are buying another striker e.g. Jovetic to play slightly in front of Pastore because depending on a up and down DD who is the opposite of Torres (scores a few times, but overall play is terrible while Torres’s overall play is excellent, but doesn’t score) is a disaster. Plus you still have to deal with the dilemma of playing Pastore and Lampard. If Lamps can’t adjust to a deeper role, then it is not going to work.
by FrankieJ on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 AM GMT via mobile reply actions
I don't think that Pastore vs. Lampard is a dilemma at all
by Graham MacAree on Jan 17, 2012 8:04 AM GMT up reply actions
It is a dilemma
Lampard only knows how to get into the box and score and Pastore operates in the same area as Lampard. Ballack is almost the same type of player, but Ballack has the ability to adjust to sitting deep to accomodate Lampsy. Avb tried this experiment with Lampsy in pre-season and of course the famous “get in the box” comments was flying around. Never worked with him and Gerrard. Not working with him and Merieles since Merieles is a similar type of player and won’t work with him and Pastore at all unless you push Pastore to the wings.
by FrankieJ on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
except for the fact that they would hardly ever play together
dilemma solved!
by blue_is_the_colour on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM GMT up reply actions
Same here
Lampard still graces the team regularly but it seems inevitable that his role will be reduced. Last year Lampard admitted himself after that injury he will not be the same player again … and add age to it (though Lampard has been better this season so far than the second-half of last). Some part that we still need him is out of necessity … not that I hope it, but I believe it won’t be long and we’ll come to a point when there will be an urgent need to get replacement. Pastore could very well fit the bill; however then we need to deal with his shady agent again … I don’t think Pastore changed his agent, did he?
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Thanks....
…..the fact that Lampard is permanently injured is constantly overlooked or ignored by just about everyone. He’s done a good job of working with the injury this year, though.
Lampard permanently injured?
He had that horrible injury last year but except that Lampard may be one of the less injury-prone players of our team
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Maybe one of the least injury prone players in the league.
Apart from that one injury i can’t remember him being out for a significant amount of time
I'm not sure how Torres + Cash for Pastore really makes sense at this point.
Unless we put Sturridge at striker and buy in a new elite right winger. In the summer, I suppose, clearing his wage makes some sense, since there will probably more value available at striker or right wing. Furthermore, it would be stupid to sell him now as he’s playing his best football for us. No matter what you think of him, giving him the chance to continue getting better, and thus increasing either his prospects as a Chelsea player or at least his sale price, makes much more sense than sending him now at a cut rate.
None of that really matters, though, since the rumours are almost certainly that, rumours.
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Easy
4-2-3-1: Cech; Cole, Terry, David Luiz, Ivanovic; Essien, Romeu; Mata, Pastore, Ramires; Sturridge.
Boom
by Graham MacAree on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 AM GMT up reply actions
Do we really want Ramires as a winger on any more than an emergency basis?
Same with Essien. If Essien goes down injured, Ramires is the obvious replacement, leaving a huge hole on the right.
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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 AM GMT up reply actions
I quite like Ramires as a winger
He’s quick enough, likes playing on the right, gets in position to score goals and offers some defensive cover. Chelsea should be fully capable of running out that lineup without having any depth problems
by Graham MacAree on Jan 17, 2012 8:13 AM GMT up reply actions
I like Ramires as much as anyone, but I just don't see him as a winger.
In his recent performances, he’s tended to drift inside more than I’d like.
Either way, a summer move makes much more sense for me.
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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 17, 2012 8:16 AM GMT up reply actions
Not a fan of Ramires on the right wing
Never going to be world class in it. Not too much of a finisher or assister. Just playing a makeshift position. Had a decent game against wolves playing there and was poor at times against Sunderland.
What’s more painful though is AVB will rather use a central midfielder in the right wing position than to push Mata out right and slot in Malouda on the left. No one complains about this much because most CFC fans can’t stand Malouda on the pitch anymore.
by FrankieJ on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 AM GMT via mobile up reply actions
too many midfielders
All our recent transfer rumours regarding Hazard and Jovetic are nice to hear. But if we move Mata centrally and granted he isn’t a ball winner, we will have to shift to a 4-2-3-1. If we do that and assuming Romeu/Mikel is one of the defensive midfielders, that leaves one slot for Ramires/Essien/Lampard/Meireles as none of them can play in the wing(am not a fan of Ramires in right wing). So who all will be leaving Chelsea then? Hope it isn’t Lampard.
There's no need for Romeu as a pure DM in a 4-2-3-1
It really requires two deep CMs rather than a dedicated CDM
by Graham MacAree on Jan 17, 2012 8:19 AM GMT up reply actions
He could play there but to me it would be Essien and Ramires in the double pivot
Romeu covering or playing against more counter attacking teams maybe change back to a 4-3-3. Play Lampard or Meireles instead of Essien or Ramires against weaker premier league sides.
lack of quality
If we had deep lying playmakers like Alonso or Pirlo, it would make sense to play 2 CMs instead of defensive. We don’t have anyone who can do that. So we should follow city’s footprints there. For them Yaya contributes to both defense and attack because of stamina. Sadly Essien seems to be no longer that good because of all his injuries. So I think Romeu should play as one of the CMs because he is for the future(if he doesn’t leave for Barca that is)
by Uchiha Sasuke on Jan 17, 2012 9:56 AM GMT up reply actions
No shame in being a 19 year old in rotation at Chelsea
I’d have Essien and Ramires Essien playing the more attacking role. Romeu could also slot in there.
I would wait until the summer before judging the depth or quality of the midfield
Before worrying about who to buy or sell in midfield we should take a good look at who we have got over the next few months. Essien is coming back from the latest in a long run of serious injuries and may never get back to the world class midfield powerhouse he was before all the injuries, however if he can then that’s is like a free £25m signing but the fact is we don’t know yet what he will be like and he could well have dropped so far that he can be moved on but I doubt that. Likewise it will be interesting how Josh develops over the next few months at Swansea, if he can do a Jack Wilshere and return from loan as the best young midfielder in the premiership then we can forget about having to buy a Modric type player but like with Essien we don’t know how Josh will pan out in the coming months. I don’t see Lamps going for another year at least as he is too important a personality at the club however he will find his role increasingly deminished. If anyone has to be shipped out to make room for a top class addition it could be Meireles who has been decent but not spectacular and in my opinion was never anything more than a panic buy at the end of a transfer window when our attempts to sign our real targets had failed. One certainty is that Ramires is going nowhere the team really misses him when he’s not there, one of Chelsea’s top 3 performers this season in my view!Really hope Romeu stays too, very impressed with him and I would always have him in the starting line up!
by conorjmartin on Jan 17, 2012 4:49 PM GMT up reply actions
I agree we don't need a new CM
I can’t see Josh returning and becoming a starter. I would like to move Mata centrally though as he seems most comfortable there and pretty much plays there anyway. We saw how good he is playing in a completely free role against sunderland. Moving to the right to play with Ramires and Meireles was very good. We did however leave our left side vulnerable though which was exploited heavily. Playing Mata in a free role behind the striker and playing a left winger means that Ashley wont be exposed too much.
Pastore for Torres would be the perfect move
but I have no idea why PSG would buy him. He’s expensive, getting older, and out of form.
No, no, no
We’d be insane, totally mental to do that swap it doesn’t even bear thinking about. We haven’t got a ndecent enough striker right now and Danny is not anything LIKE experienced enough to lead the line for a top four side every single game and DD is finished a a prem striker. Ramires can’t keep playing RW because he’s crap there and Torres has been our best player the past two games while Pastiore would take an age to get into Prem form and his season is in freefall even in an average league in a team with EVERY advantage.
PSG would want Torres I’ve no doubt but we NEED Torres to come good and he looks like doing so and remember he’s a proven EPL striker who’s lost none of his pace or touch or technique and , again, Pastore was a lucky escape that’fd leave us having to buy Cavani for a billion quid. Far better and cheaper to just buy Hazard out at £33 million and make Nando our only spearhead until Danny is ready to take his place in three years or so(getting the odd run there in the meantime. Pastore means two more risks for us rather than just the one.
He’s also not got the balls to play over here and chose PSG so clearly either doesn’t rate himself OR doesn’t rate us. Missed his chance the passionless, over rated Matte drinking git. Do not want-he’s been woeful since end of sept and was only holding his own before then. Why would we do PSG any favours anyway.
by mastiffchild on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 AM GMT up reply actions
For the last time, Hazard doesn't have a buyout clause!
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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 AM GMT up reply actions 1 recs
haha i know
Been trying to tell him XD. Pastore and Mata are too similar to play next to each other. If we play a 4-2-3-1 with Mata on the wing he’s ineffective so I would prefer Hazard but he could cost Torres money this month.
I'd also wonder why PSG would want Torres
if that happened last season or right after WC 2010 it would have made sense – not only money-wise (a Torres transfer seems never wise in a monetary aspect, not only regarding transfer fees but also concerning salary packages) but to start the “we are a rich club and we have star players in our squad – harrharr!”-campaign. But at this certain time of Torres’ career, it would make less sense then before. But maybe this whole story is more attributed to the fact PSG are one of the few in the lot who could theoretically afford Torres’ salaries without batting an eyelid.
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Ah I thought I was over with it
and there’s no sense sense crying over every mistake (humming the Still Alive Portal song) – but I still feel a bit bitter everytime I read about Carlo. For that I’m so very glad he is with PSG now and not with a EPL rival … succeeding Wenger, Arry or overtake West Ham/QPR
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Oh and by the way
Carlo Ancelotti: ""All want to come here: there is money, there is Paris, there is a good coach." via sky
LOL
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actual Azpilicueta quote (allegedly) i read today
“Chelsea need to talk about this with Marseille. At the moment I have a contract until 2014 and I am 100 per cent focused on my club.”
Looks like we may actually be trying to get him, which is excellent news
rest of the article found here:
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/chelsea/transfer-talk/news/chelsea-step-up-hunt-for-azpilicueta_13544.html
by blue_is_the_colour on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM GMT reply actions
Yeah we said the same 2008
when there was trouble with Frank Lampard’s contract. And now everyone some fans want him out. Ungrateful lot we are, hehe
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Why
would you want Lampard out? Sure he’s old(not getting old, he IS old) but he’s still got 11 goals so far this season despite not playing every single game as he did before, he adds a lot to the team which Romeu and Raul can’t provide. Yes his goals mask his bad games(I wish it were that way with Torres) but still, he’s useful.
by chickenlittle1012 on Jan 17, 2012 3:29 PM GMT up reply actions
I don't want Lampard out
not the least. I may rant here and there about Frank Lampard ocasionally but to be honest I’ve always been a hopeless Frank Lampard fan and the more I love one player the more I will rant (unfairly) about one player.
There are many who want him out … or similar
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I'd hate to see Lampsy go
He just isn’t an automatic choice anymore. Doesn’t need to be. He needs to adapt at player a smaller, yet important role for us.
He needs to feel like a grandmother...
…subjugated, yet honoured.
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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 17, 2012 11:12 PM GMT up reply actions
Naw just send him to a home in Florida
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 11:24 PM GMT up reply actions
The same Ancelotti
that didn’t really want him or desire to play him when he received the player at Chelsea? Just makin’ sure.
I know the thought of this is making some folks here wet their pants with delight, but even if they made an offer, I think they’d go lower than most fans want.
he didnt say he wants him
he said torres’ agent offered him to PSG
by blue_is_the_colour on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM GMT reply actions
This is taken out of context
Paraphrased he said: “The players agents are offering on the market: Tevez, Berbatov, Torres… cuddly toy, kitchen sink” with a grin. He’s just having a laugh is Carlo.
Good point
He also said the following (via the interviewer’s Twitter, so likely paraphrased).
“Ancelotti speaks rather openly about Chelsea too. Out of respect, he won’t judge Villas-Boas’s work, recognises it’s a difficult job”
“Ancelotti: “Take Torres + his crisis: if you decide to invest heavily in him, you have to sell Drogba.” 1/2"
“Ancelotti: “Didier is like Pippo [Inzaghi]. He tends to devour whoever is in competition.” 2/2 #cfc via Gazzetta
I guess that ends the debate
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by Iced O on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Here's what the English media's saying:
“There is a lot of choice for this January market,” Ancelotti told Gazzetta dello Sport.
“Since I signed for PSG I have received hundreds of calls from agents proposing their client: Falcao, Tevez, Torres, Berbatov, Pavlyuchenko, Cavani, Llorente.
“All want to come here: there is money, there is Paris, there is a good coach.”
by Graham MacAree on Jan 17, 2012 4:18 PM GMT up reply actions
Don't we want either Cavani Llorente
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by Iced O on Jan 17, 2012 4:21 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
Another article from the English media:
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/131446.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
More or less says it’s just names that are getting thrown around officially or not. Could well be that Chelsea is actively looking for offers. Could be just as likely that not one of these joints knows how to translate whatever Carlo said :)
It's Carlo's revenge plot!
He’s coming for all your players now!
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 4:05 PM GMT reply actions
He's the one who brought the shit to Stamford Bridge
Letting him take the shit out of here is reasonable.
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"Vamos Fluzão, vamos ganhar
Eu sou do clube tantas vezes campeão!
Vim pra torcer, vim pra gritar
E por você a vida inteira vou cantar!"
I heard not
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"Vamos Fluzão, vamos ganhar
Eu sou do clube tantas vezes campeão!
Vim pra torcer, vim pra gritar
E por você a vida inteira vou cantar!"
That's what I thought
Not very nice of Mr. trOOly to refer to him as excrement in such crass terms.
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM GMT up reply actions
He'd certainly get blamed less
and he’d be free to have more fun with less risk.
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 4:50 PM GMT up reply actions
DL playing DM was kinda obvious
Wilkins in his commentaries said many other … weird things. But he did say something in the direction (or literally) Carlo wanted Torres
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I don't think he'll displace Oreo who has been very solid
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM GMT up reply actions
It was more about the idea itself
not so much about the actual execution – and based on past Wilkins statements and comments – his credibility in those delicate things
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To play as a DM he'd have more responsibilities in my opinion.
He’d have to stay back and look to fill in anytime a CB went forward and we all know he wouldn’t. Romeu always covers Luiz nd Terry when they go forward almost instinctively.
I don't disagree with you
but that was not the point. It was more about how much we should give about what Wilkins’ said – and the Luiz-DM thing was just one because it was popular
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Wow...
calling your players “the shit” now, eh? In some circles that is a compliment ;)
Seriously though… you can dislike Torres and still be respectful. I hope that Cahill performs well so that you don’t tell AVB to take the shit with him, too.
I should've written "this"
Well, one will receive praise when things go right.
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Vim pra torcer, vim pra gritar
E por você a vida inteira vou cantar!"
though he is a diver
angel di maria would be far more useful for our current setup than pastore, if we are going to start talking about 30 million pound argentines
I wouldn't mind getting Lavezzi over AdM
Considering AdM is a harder target, Lavezzi is pretty great in his own right, and somehow i get the feeling he can cut it in the PL a lot easier than AdM. Needless to say, I’d be taking the definition of happiness to new extremes if we sign either player. OR Hazard,even.
by Avinash Mohan on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 PM GMT up reply actions
Do not want
The guy will be 27 by the end of the season and will probably cost his full buyout to acquire. Like Modric, he’s a great player that would be an extremely inefficient use of our funds.
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 PM GMT up reply actions
I hear Carlo has denied mentioning any of those names (or at least Torres and Berbatov).
I just can’t find the source…..
Maybe this one?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0118/1224310399718.html
Fox Soccer Report managed to talk about this and also mentioned we are very close to closing on Hazard. They are very good at following the tabloids for their news reporting, I see.
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