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The lessons to be learned from the Fernando Torres purchase

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It's been almost a year now since we completed the record £50 million signing of Fernando Torres, and if we had it all to do over again I don't think anyone in their right mind would recommend doing the same deal again. While Fernando is still a useful player and has been playing much better of late it's hard to find any level of performance that would justify his huge price tag. In that regard I feel he's very similar to quite a few names we've been linked to over the past year or so and should be keeping the Torres purchase in mind when speculating about names like Hulk, Perreira, Kaka, Moutinho, Tiote, and Modric.

At first glance none of those other players would appear to have all that much in common with Torres. Where Torres has struggled in any role other than the center of the attack, all of the aforementioned players have shown the ability to play in several roles with some degree of success. All would likely be cheaper than Torres, although in Modric and Hulk's respective cases it wouldn't be much cheaper. What the Torres buy should have alerted us to is several red flags that all of the guys I listed above share with our #9, and after the jump I'll get into why I feel we should be avoiding every single one of those guys this window.

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The financial realities of life for Chelsea FC now that FFP has come into play are going to have to be different than what we've become accustomed to. In years past we've been able to make expensive luxury purchases of guys like Schevchenko without having a truly pressing need for the player. We were able to round out our bench with players like Deco and Zhirkov that would start basically anywhere else just due to the vast sums of money that Uncle Roman was providing, and while it was awfully fun to watch we're certainly going to have to be a bit more frugal to comply with the new rules.* While in the past we simply had to ask a question about the quality of the player we were looking at we now need to be asking ourselves several other questions.

*There is no set punishment for failure to comply with FFP yet (despite the media's assumption that it involves banishment from the CL), but I'd much rather let City be the club to call UEFA's bluff on this one

How many seasons can we reasonably expect to get out of this player? - FFP in combination with squad limits imposed by UEFA and the FA are really going to make it difficult to just drop well paid players as they enter into their mid-30's (see Lampard, Frank and Drogba, Didier). Regardless of their declining effectiveness, some of these players are still going to have to occupy important roles for the club. With that in mind we really need to be planning on parting ways with the majority of these guys as they reach their early 30's. Any player we are looking at over the age of 25 is likely only going to be useful for the duration of his initial contract with very little in the way of a return at the end of it. When the club gets additional years out of a player who extends their contract it certainly makes any transfer fees paid out go a lot further.

Is or will this player ever become homegrown? - Homegrown players are always going to be worth more in resale value. This needs to be taken into account when purchasing the player.

Are we getting any sort of discount on the player? - In the case of Gary Cahill we got a bit of a break due to the fact that he was almost out of contract with Bolton. We got a relatively good deal on Raul Meireles because he was unhappy at Liverpool. Milos Krasic would potentially be a cheap buy because he's out of favor at Juventus. Guys like these aren't costing the same immense transfer fees of players like Tiote and Moutinho who recently renewed their contracts and have been performing very well, therefore offering little chance of getting a similar return after being a short term (albeit very good) player.

Does the player still have a reasonable chance of improving? - When we look at players like Lukaku and Romeu we purchase them with the expectation that they will still be improving in the future. Players like Ramires, Mata, and Luiz also fit this description very well. All of those guys will potentially be worth more in the future than at the time of purchase regardless of whether or not we sell them. Fernando Torres was already a finished product when we purchased him. Hulk, Perreira, and Modric would all fit this mold as well. That's probably something we should be avoiding whenever possible. There will be times when we need to fill a very specific hole and have to buy a player in their prime, but it should be a very rare way to purchase going forward.

Just how good is the player? - Certain players will just never be more than role players, while certain players will be the ones you can build your team around. Didier Drogba was one we could build our team around. Torres was potentially that type of player as well. You could make the argument that Luka Modric is that type of player. If the player in question is not that type of player and isn't young enough to develop into that type of player there is very little reason to believe he'd be a good buy at £25 million or more.

Do we need that player right now? - It's January. We're 1/2 way through the season. Is the player in question going to give us a reasonable chance to overtake the top of the table? Are we at real risk of missing the top 4 because we don't add this player? Is the player in question cup tied at all? Will there be other similar players available in the summer that could better fill our needs? The January market is very rarely a buyers market, so any moves that can wait until the summer should be left until that point.

Will this player have resale value anywhere close to the initial transfer fee? - This question is influenced by all of the others. Are we getting any sort of discount on the player initially? Will the player still have good years left for another club when his contract is running down? Is there upside to improve still? There are certain players who will still be good buys even without future resale value, but most of them will cost £10-15 million or less. Any player who will probably have a resale value close to their initial transfer fee will probably be a good buy. If we know that they won't have anything close to the same value we should be avoiding them like the plague.

Fernando Torres may well be turning a corner on his Chelsea career. I certainly hope so, as he's been a very good player for a long time and would bring a lot to the team if he found his Liverpool form. Regardless of that fact though, he'll never be able to justify his immense price tag and should never have been purchased at his ridiculous price. Torres should be a lesson in what to avoid on the transfer market going forward, and guys like Hulk, Modric, and Perreira have enough in common with Torres that they should scare the shit out of each and every one of us. All of those players would be excellent fits at reasonable prices, but none of them will be available for a reasonable price. They are all old enough that they won't give the club 8-10 good seasons. None of them are likely to improve much going forward, and all will likely decline a good amount before they leave Chelsea. The best thing to do at this point with Torres is to cross our fingers and hope to get as much out of him as we can. He should serve as a constant reminder of what to avoid on the market though, as he certainly highlights almost everything that FFP is going to make us stay away from going forward.

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bsally, you're right

Eden Hazard ticks most of the above boxes and the recent AVB player signing profile too AND is the kind of player who you could move inside(like Mata) and build your team around his abilties.

Thing is he won’t cost any more now than he would in the summer(£33million buy out clause sees to that)and with fewer likely to bid right now I’d say, for his level of talent, bidding this very second is our best hope of landing anyone of that level at a semi reasonable [price. He makes sense from a tam perspective in many ways too-freeing up Mata to play inside, can play number ten himself or switch with danny(or with Mata in game)and makes both 4231 and both types of 433(invetrted tri and normal)more easily playable effectively and allows AVB more freedom than pretty much any other currenbt signing I can think of and as we were going to go to 40million for Modric(and had we signed him I’d argue we’d possibly still need a Hazard type player too)why not 33mill for Eden?

Torres was a player we got ripped off over in January but was also expensive as proven talent in the Prem can be but nobody would have seen him being THIS bad or this unlucky(he has been on the way back, mind all this season when given runs of games in my view)and as a result I’d hope we would stay away from January signings unless they are at a reasonable buy out(Hazard) or are going to only cost what they would in the summer and fit most of our criteria. The article is pretty sound but, I’d add, we’re more well advised to add to it with finding a way of giving our better youth prospects a real way of getting into the first team,. #the exp[erience of Ryan Bertrand at Chelsea is the very picture of this worry. He’s been on seven loans, all successful,and is currently Cole’s only LB back up yet wasn’t even on the CL squad for Leverkusen where Bos who can’t do his own flank was chosen to replace injured Ash. Yesterday saw a plainly tired Cole run ragged by Sessegnon time and time again but AVB chose to allow this to go on unchecked rather than bring on a 22 year old who has been groomed as a future Chelsea player for over five years now. Cole needs a rest, Betrand is as experienced as you can get without actually BEING a first team player here yet he will never be trusted even when Ash is in dire need of a rest and tiring him further risks injury and a further drop in team hurting performance.

While AVB and Chelsea managers feel this much pressure the academy is just a total waste of time and money-thery’re just too scared that young and inexperienced players(and seemingly only EPL loans count at all so why loan kids in the Cahmpionship or below?)will cost them points and/or their job that they just won’t allow them any real games that matter to develop and get used to first team football. As a result all they ever get are CC games where the team they play in is packed with not just kids but also squad players often out of position. Not a first team or a fully motivated side in any way and you learn nothing about how a kid will fit into a true competitive first team through this nonsense.

From this PoV it’s impossible to see how kids will get a game, or a run of them, as they will invariably have a period of either adaptation or ups and downs before being comfortable and managers here can’t allow them to have this. We have to find a way, though, oir that academy and all it’s scouting are a plain money hole. Hazard might help as a reminder of what Liulle got by backing young talent, IDK but the situation is a desperate mess .

by mastiffchild on Jan 15, 2012 8:24 PM GMT up reply actions  

£33million buyout clause doesn't exist

Lazy reporting on the part of the media. The Lille sporting director said they would consider offers above €40M (approx £33M)

by deg0ey on Jan 15, 2012 9:41 PM GMT up reply actions  

Stephen, thank you for writing this

Just wanted to say that this is a very important read for people from Asian supporter forums in particular, as a number of key transfer market highlights have been collectively presented. I maintain a keen presence on as many as I can, and can’t help but notice that a large percentage of followers/posters/commentors seem to be there on the premise that they have better knowledge of transfer dealings than the real club-running pros [i.e. remarks like ‘why the f*ck doesnt avb just buy xyz guy and be done with it’ or ‘30M for x, 35M for y & 20M for z and our lineup is ready, avb and co don’t realize this’ are pretty common]

Not saying Asian fans are in a stereotypical fashion, naive, or overly restless or lack insight, but just saying, by me the average Asian gloryhunter is loads dumber than the average European one. I’m gonna make sure I get as many to read this as I can.

by Karan7 on Jan 15, 2012 7:37 PM GMT reply actions  

The way you phrased the title made me go and look something up...

Adjusted for inflation, The Fernando Torres Purchase cost about 1/3 of The Louisiana Purchase.

I think it’s obvious who got the better deal. The US Government should clearly be in charge of our transfer dealings in future.

by deg0ey on Jan 15, 2012 8:06 PM GMT reply actions  

Ahh..

But you know why we got such a discount? Lots of folks don’t know that it really was due to the revolution in Haiti :) We owe much to our Haitian neighbors, and it’s a real shame that the US doesn’t get as involved in working with them, rather than just meddling in their government from time to time.

I would say, we got the Louisiana Purchase so cheaply, because France had a very obvious reason to need to unload- France held the land solely as a resource for Haiti and now had no need (sort of like the current situation that Chelsea got themselves into with Alex… gonna be hard to drive up his price since the dirty laundry got aired).

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 8:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

Not quite

The slaves had already one the battle and he couldnt force them back into slavery. Napoleon had plans for a New World that used Louisiana, but at that point it really only served as a place to get resources for the plantations in Haiti, and because he was unable to bring Haiti back under control, and his continued troubles with Britain and general unfriendliness with Spain, he had no means of protecting his resource in Louisiana and to spread the colony there. And they weren’t aware of what all resources existed in the Purchase territory… sugar plantations didn’t exist there, which was what they were really after.

Thus, Napoleon’s thought it best to sell the land for whatever he could get and move on to his more local issues. This Wiki doc outlines it pretty well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase#Negotiation

But, had Haiti not been the first successful slave revolt, you might be living in France 2.0 right now ;) Don’t feel bad for France though- even though the slave colony beat them, they made Haiti pay war reparations for years and years, well past the times of Napoleon.. which is why Haiti is in the debt it is in today, in combination with some less than stable governing that only helped exacerbate the situation.

And this, is all of your history lessons for the day ;)

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 8:41 PM GMT up reply actions  

*won the battle

that makes four times I have mixed up that damned homonym on this here(hear) blog ;)

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 8:42 PM GMT up reply actions  

I got the timeline wrong.

Napoleon was broke from fighting in Haiti, and needed money for the war with Britain, so he sold Louisiana, which was worthless to him.

As for living in France 2.0, I wouldn’t. Wisconsin was part of the U.S. at the time.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 9:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

Should note...

…It was part of the U.S. as part of the Northwest Territory.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 9:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ahh

good call… I always make the bad mistake of just assuming everything left of Louisiana is in the purchase. I never carefully look at it, because well, I came from the days when you took state history in high school, and I lived in New England. As far as NE is concerned, we are the history of the US, hahaha. Silly.

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 10:29 PM GMT up reply actions  

To be honest, saying Thomas Jefferson should be in charge of buying our players...

…is a bit more offensive than it might seem at first…

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 8:23 PM GMT up reply actions  

Agree, but...

I think we all agree that the Torres price was massively inflated. That said, we will need to balance immediate needs with long-term development – not just now but in the future.

For example, to meet most of these points above, a player will have to be young. Some of them will be Mata’s age (23), but there will also be a lot of young guys (Lukaku/Josh/Gotze aged), too.

There is much more risk in buying players of that age, because they presumably have less of a track record, may’ve been playing at smaller clubs or in other leagues, or may not have developed their skills yet. So we will need to manage our risk carefully. Do we spend for the "sure thing" talent (like a Gotze), which will cost a fortune, or load up on quality talent that has high upside? Or all of the above, and hope we can make it work?

That plays into how we develop them. We’re yelled all year about how Josh hasn’t gotten playing time. But there is clear risk in playing younger, less experienced players (when I say this, I am thinking of the difference between a Josh and a Mata, in particular). So Chelsea will have to figure out how to remain competitive for titles while also buying top young players AND making sure they get playing time AND making sure we comply with FFP.

All that is to say, I agree. But I think it’s going to be a constant evolution to make it work, and it underscores the need for more funding sources (hi, stadium) to me.

by ChelseaDC on Jan 15, 2012 8:15 PM GMT reply actions  

Does anyone really think Chelsea made a good choice?

I’d be surprised to find someone that thought the 50m was a fair deal. And to no fault of the player- Chelsea was just not smart in going forward. That is what Abromovich’s infatuation will get you, I suppose, though. Hopefully he’s actually learned that you can’t buy a title- he seems to be the main culprit, and if he slows on spending a little, maybe the fans that wan’t the absurdly priced players will calm a bit too, and remember that you build a good team. The ManCity’s are the exception, not the rule.

One thing I find myself curious about is if this blog existed some 5-6 years ago, Stephen- what would you or did you think about Rodgers’s suggestion that Chelsea should have bought Torres for the 26m or whatever it was at the time, without the knowledge of what was to come when he finally moved to the EPL? I am being presumptuous, but I can’t see that any Chelsea fans would have liked him at that price back then, given the team you had… unless fans shared the same thoughts on his potential that Rodgers must have.

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 8:26 PM GMT reply actions  

I think we were looking at him when he was at Madrid, but lost out to Liverpool.

I’ve also wondered recently if we bought him as a pick-me-up for the way it was going, results-wise, as well as for footballing reasons. There weren’t many people who weren’t ecstatic at the time.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 8:34 PM GMT up reply actions  

Being excited about having the player, and being content with the price

are sort of two different things. I imagine there was quite a large group of fans who were happy to have him, with dreams of goals galore. But if you asked them to, without trying to defend the decision, suggest that the price was more than reasonable for the player at the time, they’d probably have said they thought a fair price was lower.

I figured most people went with it because 1) it was Roman’s money and 2) it was understood to be the buyout price- he’d never go for less on the remainder of his contract.

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 8:46 PM GMT up reply actions  

Do you mean that Rodgers advised us 2006 to get Torres?

We seemingly didn’t move back then … but I would be wondering very much if we really actually made some efforts to get him. It seemed we were never really interested back then … somewhat understandably by that time

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 9:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

Reason?

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 10:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

So basically when they were ready to listen for offers

we weren’t interested, we hesitated, we moved on, or they simply refused to sell us 2 years later?

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 10:22 PM GMT up reply actions  

It could well be we were interested

but I would be surprised if we put in any real efforts … given the circumstances at that time

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 10:37 PM GMT up reply actions  

This

and also – he wasn’t a flashy name back then, not what would have caught our attention back then … added to the fact we had no real need

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 10:43 PM GMT up reply actions  

From what I understand

it was 2006 when Chelsea inquired and ManU was the other club in the running. Atletico turned down both, and Torres opted to stay another season. Throughout the next year, ManU kept tabs on him, and Arsenal were supposedly interested. Chelsea didn’t actively pursue again (whether they were still somewhat interested I am not sure). Liverpool literally came because Torres liked their CL win, and was wooed by Reina and Alonso. He apparently joked to the both of those guys to get Rafa to sign him, and Rafa contacted him personally at first (nothing official through Liverpool) to ask him if he’d thought of playing for Liverpool. Torres told him he’d have to wait to talk to his agent until the season ended. Rafa then called him on his cell again, telling him his plans and confirming that Torres wanted to come before an offer was made.

I think the lack of Spanish contingent at Chelsea was a main reason for little interest on his part in 2006. Fabregas tried to get him to go to Arsenal, but Reyes didn’t have good stories for Nando, so I think he worked the rest of his Spain-in-England network.

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 10:44 PM GMT up reply actions  

We would have loved Torres at 26m when he came from Atletico

The point, in general, is to buy players before they become megastars

by Graham MacAree on Jan 15, 2012 8:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

We also could have landed Modric back then

before Modric (why do I always type Mortred when I wanna type Modric? It’s weird) moved to Spuds. At least there were some reports we were interested. But qe all knew it never happened, though

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 9:31 PM GMT up reply actions  

Right

I more so mean based on his talent at the time. He didn’t have a great season in ‘07… which may have been the reason for Chelsea’s waning interest. They mostly wanted him in ’06 after the WC, from what I gather. I just wondered if any fans knew about that when it happened and if so, what they thought of it then.

To me, I assumed he wasnt the type of player that Chelsea were after. And I don’t think he would have flourished under Mourinho the way he did at Liverpool (not meant as a dig at Mourinho… more just that he is known for hoarding top talent and not all of them get a ton of playing time, and Torres would have probably saw a lot more bench given the Chelsea squad of the time).

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 10:48 PM GMT up reply actions  

The financial reality of the situation was very different 5-6 years ago

At that point we really didn’t need to try to project what a player would become, Roman had basically unlimited cash and there were no restrictions to force us to spend wisely. Perreira, Hulk, Modric, and Tiote would all be exceptional players to add to the squad if money was no object. Now that FFP exists it’s a whole different landscape for Chelsea (and theoretically City).

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 15, 2012 9:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

But money is no object as long as we work out a way round it...

We’re still allowed to make losses and didn’t we do alright last year despite the big transfer fee? Like spending £40mil on Hazard and getting second or third place is much better than not and only coming fourth. Isn’t it? I don’t think we can over take Man U, City or Spurs at the moment. Coming fourth wouldn’t be there worst thing but it would be the second worst thing that could happen to Chelsea. There’s still a massive difference between fourth and third.

I understand we have to become more financially responsible but we haven’t set ourselves up for it. I mean yes we have a worldwide following and possibly plans for a bigger stadium – which puts us at an advantage compared to City whose fan base isn’t as big yet but we can’t just buy random young players with potential and expect 5 managers to work with them over 8 years. If anything it would damage them. If we wanna go this way we have to change tact and keep AVB around.

But we need to spend a decent amount of money over the next few years on starters because so many of our players will be leaving over the next couple of years and we know what happens when you try an replace your starters with hot prospects… Mr Wenger…

But then we have to try and maintain some sort of long term plan rather than just buying any young player that has promise and chucking them together but changing everyone incharge

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 11:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

Spending money can't buy you titles

but can definitively improve your team greatly, at least shape a mediocre team into a title contending force. ManCity and Chelsea are obvious examples, and even some “established old clubs” have been largely reliant on spending force. However money doesn’t necessarily equal wisdom. The money should nonetheless be spent wisely, and I wouldn’t directly associate the Torres and Sheva deals with much wisdom

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 9:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

Yeah

too bad Kenny is lacking the brains. He had the cash to make Liverpool a title contender wasted it.

by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 15, 2012 9:56 PM GMT up reply actions  

True!

Considering how much I thought Pool would achieve this season I’m surprised at their current standing. Not that I mind, though

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 10:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

I would have preferred Aguero .

When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?

by AmbassadorAmeer on Jan 15, 2012 8:38 PM GMT reply actions  

Aguero was a really astute buy for City

They got him for 35m (which is quite less compared to 50m) and he checks all of the above boxes.

by madhavb on Jan 15, 2012 9:53 PM GMT up reply actions  

But they had to make up for it with an inciredible salary package ...

and possibly this being one of the reasons why we stood put – besides other

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 10:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying

and agree that we should mostly be trying to buy young players with a high amount of potential… To make that work we need a manager around for a long time and I think every now and then throwing our weight about in the transfer market is a good idea as it send a message to other clubs of our intent and shows players we aren’t afraid to spend money on transfers.

I understand the threat of FFP but if we need a player or one will become available we can’t wait around for a better deal without becoming like Arsenal and United (I know it’s not exactly effected United yet but it will). I don’t think we should spend £100mil every window but we shouldn’t be afraid of spending money on targets that we need.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 9:00 PM GMT reply actions  

Anyone else noticed Hazard's wiki page?

Somebody has changed it to say he plays for Newcastle United…

There’s not some transfer news that I’m missing, is there?

by deg0ey on Jan 15, 2012 9:44 PM GMT reply actions  

It's part of a spate of changes in reaction to someone changing it to Liverpool.

It went through a bunch of clubs, including Newcastle and lowly Hyde F.C.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 10:20 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ah okay

I’d totally have changed it to the Vanuatu National Team if I’d realised.

by deg0ey on Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM GMT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

New Caledonia is better!

by theRamster on Jan 15, 2012 10:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

Obviously it's only the English edition

all other languages seem OK (though I didn’t check all)

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM GMT up reply actions  

And

is that what happens when some football fans go 4chan?

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