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Chelsea Vs. Sunderland: Blues Edge Nervous Match

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In a tense game at Stamford Bridge Chelsea managed to dispatch one of the Premier League's hottest teams and keep a clean sheet in the process. Sunderland came into the match on a run of superb form, having only lost once under Martin O'Neill (and having beaten league leaders Manchester City in the process), and their ability to change the game with late goals meant that you'd never want to write them off in a close game.

With Daniel Sturridge not fit to play ninety minutes, the Ramires-as-a-right-winger experiment continued. That meant a midfield pairing of Frank Lampard and Raul Meireles in front of Oriol Romeu, and left Fernando Torres with another chance to lead the line. Torres has been getting praise in recent weeks for his (perhaps overstated) playmaking ability, with many fans calling for him to play a false nine role. That didn't happen against Sunderland - instead, he played like a proper striker, and played very well.

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Granted, Torres didn't actually score, but if moral goals count he grabbed a belter. Juan Mata whipped in a cross from the right, and his compatriot did very well to peel off his defenders and send in a sublime scissor volley that bulleted past a mortified Simon Mignolet. Unfortunately for Torres (but not Chelsea), the ball crashed back off the crossbar rather than sailing into the back of the net. Said ball then bounced straight into Frank Lampard, who tucked into the empty net from two yards out to make it 1-0. Torres's wondershot got the striker yet another assist.

Nicklas Bendtner gave everyone a bit of a scare with a nice shot on a turn which wriggled past both Petr Cech and his far post, but for the most part Chelsea were dominant in possession and patient in probing their opposition's defence. A few players were having a tough time of things - Ashley Cole, Oriol Romeu and Raul Meireles have all had better games, but the first half was incredibly comfortable as far as the Blues were concerned.

The second was less so as the game opened up at little bit and Phil Dowd lost control. Three penalties were turned down (two for Chelsea, one for Sunderland), and Torres was booked for diving for the last. Chelsea were perhaps fortunate not to concede after a series of defensive meltdowns - everyone on the back line made at least one atrocious mistake, which are probably all going to be blamed on David Luiz because that's the cool thing to do - but the visitors just couldn't capitalise, with James McClean especially unfortunate not to have scored.

Chelsea were doing some good work of their own, with Ramires and Torres doing excellently down the right, but with Mata off the pace they weren't creating many clear-cut opportunities. The final ball was sadly lacking, especially from the wide players. There was some good news in the form of a certain Ghanaian making his season debut, with Michael Essien coming on for Frank Lampard in the 73rd minute, but the removal of Lampard, Chelsea's most effective midfielder, meant that Sunderland were far more free to come forward and attack.

Poor finishing spared the Blues' blushes - Craig Gardner and Nicklas Bendtner were both in positions to severely test Petr Cech in the late stages only for both to hit wide, but Chelsea had their chances late too and the eventual 1-0 win was more or less deserved, however nervy. For a team that's been having trouble winning at home, holding leads, and keeping clean sheets, it was pretty pleasant to have managed to do all three at once, and with Tottenham Hotspur held to a home draw by Wolves, we've narrowed that gap to six points.

We needed the win and we got one. Now we just need to go from a 6/10 performance-wise to demolishing teams.

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Chelsea's man of the match?
Frank Lampard
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Fernando Torres
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Erm
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Well, I don't know...
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If we were higher up in the table, pundits would be calling this a grind-out, just-get-the-result type of win

Since we’re not, there’s more gnashing of teeth over it.

We didn’t play great, but we got the win.
There were some dubious decisions from both the ref and AVB (Lampard off? Essien on early?), but we got the win.

Good enough for me. 3 points from an utterly forgettable match – a good start to the weekend.

by DPeezy on Jan 14, 2012 6:09 PM GMT reply actions  

Also, MoM

1. Phil Dowd
2. Bendtner
3. Erm.

by DPeezy on Jan 14, 2012 6:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

He was ok

But seemed to be too deep/withdrawn to pose consistent danger.

by DPeezy on Jan 14, 2012 7:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'd say he was by far Sunderland's best player

His name was mentioned playing the final pass before pretty much anything dangerous that happened at all.

by deg0ey on Jan 14, 2012 9:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

Very solid, until the final 15 or so

A strong performance for most of the match. But as we’ve seen lately, the final 10-15 minutes were terrifying. It felt like Chelsea started to loosen up, made rushed decisions (of course because Sunderland were pressuring more), and that we would have to hold on, as we did.

We do give up a LOT of goals late in the game. It’s a little disturbing.

by ChelseaDC on Jan 14, 2012 6:12 PM GMT reply actions  

DL man of the match

Luiz had a couple good runs forward along with many great last second steals inside the box. Torres played good, but not as good as luiz

From Stamford Bridge to Wembley, KTBFFH

by Chelsea01 on Jan 14, 2012 6:14 PM GMT reply actions  

I just thought the opposite.

DL was not solid positionally today, he was on the wrong side of Sunderland players or late to the challenge on a lot of occasions. Also gave up a dangerous free kick early in the game. Sorry, Graham.

by MrkS on Jan 14, 2012 6:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

Right now I’m not too fussed about the performances as long as we get 3 points.

Wonder if Luiz at RB would be worth a go until Ivanovic is fit?

by MischievousNinja87 on Jan 14, 2012 6:15 PM GMT reply actions  

It could work

He would be able to get more runs forward, and wouldn’t have to worry about getting caught too far up. If i was AVB, i would try it.

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by Chelsea01 on Jan 14, 2012 6:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

POOR!!! :D

This brings me to the point that I would love to see hulk at Chelsea!

by Gautam Cfc on Jan 14, 2012 7:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

There are so many attackers I would take over Hulk

He’d be a fantastic type of guy to add, but he’s not going to offer any sort of value at all. If we want that type of player we could probably add Bony Wilfried for 1/4 the cost.

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 14, 2012 7:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

That's a bad thing in this case

He’s already into the prime years of his career…a buy of Hulk is likely getting one contract out of the player. That’s all well and good when you’re getting a decent price, but Hulk is going to cost a massive pile of cash. He’s also gained this experience at Porto…not exactly against the toughest of competition.

Hulk is as fantastic player, but he’d cost way too much to be an intelligent move. Danny Sturridge fills that same type of role capably, there is no reason to spend that much on Hulk. There is just no reason to invest that much money in another 25+ player who we already have an excellent comparable for.

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 14, 2012 7:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

So true

agree with everything here, very nicely summed up

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by Maiev on Jan 14, 2012 10:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

If Hulk was available for about 35 mn then I'm sure AVB would have bought him by now.

And if Hulk replaces Danny at the RW, then may be we can move danny to CF position.

by Gautam Cfc on Jan 15, 2012 5:56 AM GMT up reply actions  

I think what you maybe meant to say was

If Hulk replaces Danny at the RW, then maybe we can move Danny to PSG.

by deg0ey on Jan 15, 2012 9:48 AM GMT up reply actions  

I always said

that DL is a closeted midfielder a back four of JT COLE CAHILL IVANOVIC and a midfield of RAMIRES LUIZ AND THE FRANKIE GOD will be insane !!

by loulounadia on Jan 14, 2012 6:51 PM GMT up reply actions  

David Luiz

Is a wonderful talent but he does need to be considered for a different position. I am pleased there are more people bringing up the subject. Maybe a long term replacement for Frank Lampard is worth considering, on the left side of midfield.

by Simon on Jan 15, 2012 9:44 AM GMT up reply actions  

I dunno

I think he’s a good centre back but makes rash decisions and has also built a reputation which gets him treated more harshly. I think he needs to stay at CB and we should see how he does when we start defending properly

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 11:22 AM GMT up reply actions  

I am all for experimenting

but I don’t get where Chelsea fans are getting so fooled by the sports punditry out there. He is really not worse than the other defenders. Ashley Cole has gotten increasingly worse at defending, and probably unfairly has a better disciplinary record than Terry right now. He does some good things once in awhile, and those make the highlight reels. His big mistakes are often left out (like last night, FSC showed the two penalty shouts for Torres, and not the one for Bendtner). Luiz could make one mistake in a game and do nothing but good otherwise, and he is crucified.

Last season when he went on attacking runs, he was seen as a vision. This season, because of our other defensive failings by the entire team, he is a liability. Well, I sure hope that DL is the future of defending, not just at Chelsea, but in general. He needs a line that compliments his runs forward… a more fluid backline. I see us making steps toward that.. even he ran over to cover for Ashley at one point yesterday. It just seems it is taking a long time for the team to catch onto the value in that fluidity, but I sure hope it will come.

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 9:58 PM GMT up reply actions  

yeah

that would be the best and only choice, unless hutchinson is called up

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by Chelsea01 on Jan 14, 2012 6:21 PM GMT up reply actions  

I’m no fan of Cahill, but I think it’s something that’s worth a try. I can’t see us buying a new RB in January, and I’m even less fond of Bosingwa than I am of Cahill.

I’d also like to see Bertrand get a game ahead of Cole.

by MischievousNinja87 on Jan 14, 2012 6:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

Didn't Luiz perform badly badly badly

as Fullback every time he was assigned this duty at Benfica?

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by Maiev on Jan 14, 2012 9:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

Refs just give cards to David Luiz on reputation his challenge wasnt that bad they really out to get him Dowd is as clueless a foy can be … i mean a fool can be !! I think Torres just need that goal that will free him he is pretty darn good at the moment he will get there !! the defence is still shaky but we needed the 3 points we got them thats all that matters

by loulounadia on Jan 14, 2012 6:24 PM GMT reply actions  

Oops

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by CanadianBlue on Jan 14, 2012 10:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

Not afraid

you didn’t fool anyone … Mwa-ha-ha

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by Maiev on Jan 14, 2012 10:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

D:

lol

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by CanadianBlue on Jan 14, 2012 10:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

Lol

David Luiz was the second best defender on the pitch today, and made one fewer major mistake than Terry did.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 14, 2012 6:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

Damn you and your common sense

This doesn’t play well with the “experts”

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 14, 2012 6:39 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's not even poor it's just...

clumsy or lazy. Silly mistakes. We’ve lost sooo many points because of a general lack of concentration. Awkward back passes and losing the ball needlessly.

by Famouscfc on Jan 14, 2012 7:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

Exactly

It seems to me – highly unscientific, mind you – that our defensive collapses are the result of moments of individual disaster. Poor concentration, weak passes, no communication between teammates, resulting in turnovers or breakdowns. That’s in contrast to getting beat to the ball or beat by an attacking player. I’d think there’s a way to fix that, since it’s not about a loss of skills, just decision making.

by ChelseaDC on Jan 14, 2012 9:17 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's just interesting to see stick given out based on something other than actual play

LB’s been the most problematic position on the team, but I don’t think Bertrand’s able to improve it much right now.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 14, 2012 6:47 PM GMT up reply actions  

So because there's no other option you ignore his faults?

And because there are options besides Luiz he deserves more stick? Wha what?

by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 14, 2012 6:53 PM GMT up reply actions  

Sure we can

Play Bertrand. He might not be a world beater yet, but it would be hard to be much worse than Ashley has been.

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 14, 2012 6:55 PM GMT up reply actions  

What I meant is that Cole is playing every single match,

and doesn’t have to face competition for his place, so its easy to get complacent. (and he has 6 assists to his name so that makes it easier for him to escape the criticism)

by Gautam Cfc on Jan 14, 2012 6:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

He can't be replaced = no stick? That didn't work for Cech.

Btw, Bertrand could always get a chance. He can’t be much worse.

by Valens on Jan 14, 2012 6:54 PM GMT up reply actions  

Me too

It’s pointless to keep him as backup and then never play him. He’s going to get tired of waiting for a chance + will stop developing as a player. And if Cole is given a day off every now and then I think it can only improve his game. No one can produce world-class performances for the whole duration of a season.

by allies8fl on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 AM GMT up reply actions  

Ivanovic had some terrible blackouts this season, too

Nobody cares. It’s just Iva, the assassin

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by Maiev on Jan 14, 2012 10:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ashley Cole

I was at the game yesterday and actually gave MOM to Ashley Cole. Admittedly he should have had a penalty awarded against him but that was the one black mark against him. He was as lively as ever making important crosses and (very importantly) finding his man pretty much every time.
Credit where it’s due, Torres was second best, having set up Lampard and was unlucky not to have had at least one penalty awarded.
Bosingwa was woeful and needs to be replaced urgently, maybe Essien can fill in until Bran is back.

by Simon on Jan 15, 2012 9:51 AM GMT up reply actions  

Say what?!

I assume you missed the first half where Ash was being run past consistently. Almost all of Sunderland’s attacking threat in the first came through him. He was better in the second half, but, when combined with the penalty he should have conceded, his first half results in a VERY average day at the office for Mr. Cole.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 1:25 PM GMT up reply actions  

Ashley Cole

Oh dear, we seem to have been watching a different game again.
I do miss Graham McAree’s wonderful analysis reports from last season, with the colourful graphs but I have found some stats that appear to support my judgment of Mr. Cole’s VERY average day at the office:
http://www.eplindex.com/8370/chelsea-sunderland-stats-report.html
Maybe we should simply agree to differ.

by Simon on Jan 15, 2012 8:31 PM GMT up reply actions  

As I said, he was good in the second half.

In the first half, though, he was poor. He got caught out several times which nearly cost us a goal. I know he was statistically good, but in terms of our defence and its effectiveness, he was a weak link in the first half. It’s a perfect example of the trouble with statistics. Without the context of the match, where he was left for dead several times, the stats make it seem like he was much better than he was. Likewise, without the statistics, you’d think him poor. The answer is in the middle and thus, average.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 8:47 PM GMT up reply actions  

As I said, maybe we should agree to differ ...

That’s your opinion and you’re wrong because, without the stats, I actually didn’t think he was poor (as you have stated).
No Chelsea player had an all round good game and the stats don’t distort the story to that extent.
If Ashley was that good purely for his play in the second half, it still makes him better than average.
Just agree to differ and let’s leave it there.
Over and out, no further comment from me.

by Simon on Jan 15, 2012 9:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

I actually think you're both kinda right but for different reasons

Cole’s attacking contributions were pretty damn good at times and the passing stats you’ve linked to would go some way to supporting that view.

Having said that, there was more than one occasion where he was annihilated by Phil Bardsley, and the majority of the bright spots for Sunderland’s attack came at the expense of Cole.

Given that none of these incidents ended up costing the team, you could argue that he didn’t hinder the team in any way and his attacking impetus contributed to the amount of possession that Chelsea were able to maintain.

I do, however, think it’s a bit of a stretch to be arguing his status as MotM but you are obviously entitled to that opinion.

by deg0ey on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 PM GMT up reply actions  

I should say, I value attacking contributions from full backs much less than defending.

I view defending as their first duty, and attacking secondary. Knowing that, I think you can see why I thought he was poor.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 9:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

Looking at the stats a little bit...

Cole made six successful tackles on the left but appears to have been beaten by Sunderland players at least five times on that flank. However, that didn’t lead to Sunderland targetting the left more (they still preferred to go after Bosingwa).

by Graham MacAree on Jan 15, 2012 10:19 PM GMT up reply actions  

5-for-5 tackling is awesome.

Except in all those cases when Sunderland players waltzed by him without a tackle attempt coming. Sadly, Opta does not track these things, at least not in a publicly available way…

BUT, as Graham points out, Sunderland was 6-for-9 in dribble/take-on attempts on our left flank, and we can guarantee that a large majority of those were vs. Cole.

The fact that Cole had zero interceptions also speaks to his lack of effectiveness in the defensive zone (compare to Bosingwa’s 2, or Terry and DL’s 3 each).

by DPeezy on Jan 15, 2012 10:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

OHHHH

Now I get to this comment, after responding to your other one. Now I see I am in a lost cause of a discussion regarding our defense. Fair enough. :)

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 10:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

Seeing Essien back will have me smiling all day.

If he and Torres reach any kind of form, we’re probably gunning for third place. They were easily two of the best players in the league not too long ago.

by Cablinasian on Jan 14, 2012 6:36 PM GMT reply actions  

Also, with Ramires showing that he can play some right wing

it becomes a lot easier to find room for both he and Essien.

by Cablinasian on Jan 14, 2012 6:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

Sturridge on the left anyone?

With Ramires showing he can play on the left I wonder if we’ll ever see Sturridge on the right and Mata playing right behind the 3.

by nsleepy3 on Jan 14, 2012 6:48 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Not for me

Sturridge is way too dangerous cutting in from the right. Not sure he’d have the same effect from the left.

by MischievousNinja87 on Jan 14, 2012 6:48 PM GMT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’d like to see if he can still shoot, and also provide any easier from this side. If it doesnt work after a game (or a half), let Ramires fall back, Danny switch, and Mata go to the top left.

by alynne4307 on Jan 14, 2012 7:42 PM GMT up reply actions  

He didn't have a great day today

I fear we placed all our hopes and dreams in him much too soon for him to be afforded that breathing room of a player of his age. It’s hard because he is in such a vital position, but I think he is now our youngest player on the squad aside from Lukaku, with Josh out to loan. When, say, Sturridge makes a mistake he is given a lot of leeway for being young and having time to develop, whereas the group of us never seem to say the same of Romeu. Again, probably because he did so well in some of his first matches.

Here’s to hoping Mikel gets better soon so we have someone to give him a break and that the next game Romeu starts doing what he does best again.

by alynne4307 on Jan 14, 2012 10:37 PM GMT up reply actions  

He wasn't as good as he has been, but he wasn't poor either.

I wouldn’t say he made any major mistakes or anything. He was sort of anonymous, though.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 1:27 PM GMT up reply actions  

You don't expect you DM to be the most noticeable player on the pitch though

Romeu probably gave the ball away a couple of times but he was mostly ok.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 1:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

A few thoughts

1. We looked pretty insipid in attack without the pace, invention, and desire of Sturridge. We really don’t have another player like him, and with him on the sidelines we had very few clear goal-scoring chances.

2. Torres is good (I keep oscillating back on forth on this one).

3. Thank god for Michael Essien. He looked great in his cameo; let’s just hope he stays healthy.

4. I thought Luiz and Meireles were both really poor today. On Meireles: Originally I thought he was an astute signing, but I’m really wondering what he actually adds to the side. He’s mediocre in almost every department, including defense, passing, pace, creativity, vision, and positioning.

by ComesOutToEssien on Jan 14, 2012 6:39 PM GMT reply actions  

Raul is fine, but he just doesn't seem to add much when paired with Frankie

When Ramires and Sturridge are both on the pitch he seems to have the space he needs to work with. He’s a solid backup, unfortunately he’s starting for us.

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 14, 2012 6:41 PM GMT up reply actions  

Agree with this.

He’s a versatile but often mediocre midfielder who’s useful as a backup. The problem is we’ve needed him as a starter (I think this was his 13th game as a starter in all competitions), and it’s part of why we often look pretty average in the center of the pitch.

by ComesOutToEssien on Jan 14, 2012 6:55 PM GMT up reply actions  

I think our best games have come with Meireles starting, actually

He’s a much more well-rounded player than Lampard, and if Essien can’t play ninety I’d generally favour a Romeu-Meireles-Ramires midfield

by Graham MacAree on Jan 14, 2012 6:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

I actually agree with this too

but I think that’s more about the deficiencies of the current Frank than it is about what Meireles adds to that trio

by ComesOutToEssien on Jan 14, 2012 6:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

My favourite would be a 4231

with Sturridge Mata Malouda behind Torres and Essien and Ramires in a double pivot. Meireles and Lampard can come into the double pivot (though never at the same time) as can Romeu and Mikel. Meireles and Lampard can cover for Mata as well.

by Famouscfc on Jan 14, 2012 8:07 PM GMT up reply actions  

If they were to play their normal box-box game they'd get back to cover

they wouldn’t have a huge amount of pressure to get forward unless it was the last stages of attack either. I dunno worth a try though.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 7:29 AM GMT up reply actions  

Right

I took that into consideration.. but they’d need good communication and understanding with one another in who is going forward when. If they both attack at the same time, it could get congested up top and leave a nice big space right in front of our defense.

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 10:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

It would probably be pretty good, especially if Essien has lost a bit of pace.

He can leave most of the attacking runs to Ramires, and be the more defensively-minded of the pair.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 1:29 PM GMT up reply actions  

Together they have power and speed.

Both tackle well, both have the ability to go forward. Although I would expect Essien to stay deep more often.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm looking forward to.....

……seeing Romeu, Ramires, Essien, Sturridge, Mata, and Torres playing together on a regular basis. That’s the best midfield/attack we can put out, and our best hope of securing 3rd place.

by MischievousNinja87 on Jan 14, 2012 6:43 PM GMT reply actions   1 recs

True

I even confused Meireles with Torres in one play with great passing.

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by Darwin Orozco on Jan 14, 2012 6:44 PM GMT reply actions  

Now

Romeu did great cutting balls and moving it forward with short passes but whenever he tried to go forward or send long passes he was not effective but I like that kid there… BUT man, nothing compares to see Essein touching a ball and passing with such condifence even if he wasn’t great, he loked good.

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by Darwin Orozco on Jan 14, 2012 6:45 PM GMT reply actions  

One thing not to give the pen

and say you saw it as a soft foul and not worth it, or on the line.. but quite another to call it a yellow for simulation. I thought Torres was trying for it, which didn’t help, but that’s what players do these days- try to win fouls. What surprises me about it is that Sunderland aren’t making a play for the ball really, they are both there to just squish Torres, and yet he gets the card.

by alynne4307 on Jan 14, 2012 7:51 PM GMT up reply actions  

Torres' scissor kick would have changed his luck

just as Rooney’s bike vs. City last year put him on form…but instead the good play w/ bad luck continues :’-(

by Sack O'Gonads on Jan 14, 2012 7:18 PM GMT reply actions  

Truly a game-changer.

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by CanadianBlue on Jan 14, 2012 8:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

I mean...

we all uttered his name throughout the game.. he was everywhere today.

by alynne4307 on Jan 14, 2012 10:46 PM GMT up reply actions  

I want

“Hä?” but it’s not included in the options :(

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by Maiev on Jan 14, 2012 10:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

But, you see..

Erm was involved in both of their outstanding performances on the day. I mean, every time they made a move, we instantly spoke of “Erm”. He had a lot of assists to his name in the match.

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 10:09 PM GMT up reply actions  

If Erm had a lot of assists though the game ended in a 1-0

then Erm is phenomenal! Get this guy asap!

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by Maiev on Jan 15, 2012 10:25 PM GMT up reply actions  

Torres

I really feel for Torres right now. It seems like its destined for him to not score. how much more unlucky can he be. Our midfielders are not creative enough imo.. we don’t have that one guy who can unlock defenses from deep, someone like Alonso. Its really weird that with Mata roaming, he should be our main playmaker but on the pitch, no one seems to see him as “first choice” instead see him as an “option” You can really see the egos battling out on the pitch.

by Marcus_Cfc on Jan 15, 2012 2:15 AM GMT via Android app reply actions  

i was thinking of the team with essien back...

i think this shape could work well
-—————————————chech—————————————-
ivan——————-DL—————————————JT—————————Ash
-——————————Oriol—————Essien———————————
Dan—————————————Mata—————————————-Rami
-———————————————Nando———————————————
This all depends on if rami can play on the left, otherwise move Mata to the left, rami to the right, and danny behind nando, thoughts?

by blue_is_the_colour on Jan 15, 2012 10:23 AM GMT reply actions  

I'd rather have Ramires next to Essien tbh

I think he’s go enough on the wing for cover but he plays his best in the middle. Even yesterday he was coming deep and central very often. if it was up to me we’d buy a left winger… AVB wanted one in the summer even after we bought Mata but i think he’s apprehensive about getting a fancy winger in January.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 11:25 AM GMT up reply actions  

Not for me really

I just think he’s a very good player. Not instrumental to our side.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 7:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hmm

Now, I am not as familiar with Essien’s passing record. I saw him distribute a little bit yesterday, but I think we would do well to have a good distributor somewhere in the midfield. Ramires is not that. It would mean Essien would have to be.

by alynne4307 on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM GMT up reply actions  

I think Essien is wasted in that position

People have always clamoured for him to play a holding/defensive role, but that’s really not making full use of his talents.

A better idea (IMO) would be to play the following:

Cech————————————————————
Ivan———————Luiz——————————-Terry———————Cole——-
-——————————————Romeu———————————————————
-———————-Essien————————-Ramires————————————
Hazard——————————Torres—————————————Mata————

This is obviously assuming we’re able to buy Hazard; I’d take any decent winger, though, tbh.

If we were able to get another starting quality winger to play opposite Hazard, I’d be tempted to swap them in for Ramires, slide Mata over to left-CM and have a Essien and Ramires in a rotation for the other CM spot.

I’d also be trying to find a buyer for Sturridge – shouldn’t be difficult to sell him for far more than he’s actually worth.

by deg0ey on Jan 15, 2012 4:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

but the whole point of my system is for us without a new attacking signing

+ essien would be beautiful in that DM role with romeu, he would be the more attacking of the 2 anyway and would still get forward plenty

by blue_is_the_colour on Jan 15, 2012 5:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

Remember, a double pivot isn't by definition a defensive system.

It doesn’t have a single defensive holder, but two central midfielders who tend to alternate in getting back to cover. It would be basically his natural game with a bit more pressure for him to get back. Playing in a double pivot is sort of halfway between a DM and a box-to-boxer.

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by Kevin Kostka on Jan 15, 2012 5:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

Very true

And to be honest, my post was somewhat redundant as I still believe that formation is more a function of the players involved rather than something which is enforced by the manager. For example if in the formation suggested by b_i_t_c above you were to swap out Mata for Lampard, and give the players the same instructions, I would argue that it would revert to a regular 4-3-3 of its own accord.

Likewise if you were to take a ‘regular’ 4-3-3 as we’ve been playing recently and put Mata in the Lampard position instead of on the wing, he’d drift forwards and you’d end up with a 4-2-3-1.

by deg0ey on Jan 15, 2012 6:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

Well the is little difference between any formation.

Because of the type of player Lampard is we call it a 4-3-3. If it were Mata you’d call it 4-2-3-1 and if it were wayne rooney (i know he’s not a chelsea player) it’d be a 4-4-2. If we played Luiz as a DM it could be called a 3-4-2-1. Formation doesn’t matter too much i suppose it’s more about the roles and instructions given and performed by the players.

For instance Lille are always describe in a 4-3-3 with J. Cole on the right and Hazard on the left but they both pop up either side or in the middle. Much like in our double winning season when Malouda, Anelka and Drogba would pop up anywhere.

That’s the sort of chemistry I’d like to have with Danny, Mata and Hazard/WhoEverWeBuyToPlayOnTheLeft. Then we could have Torres ahead of them knowing he will get a pass making runs into the box, dragging defenders away from our attacking midfielders and making room for himself and others.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 6:25 PM GMT up reply actions  

Which is why I'd like a double pivot pairing of Essien and Ramires.

Pace and power combined. Having them ahead of a DM wouldn’t be much use as we’d have less service from midfield and would leave all the service to the striker to our wingers, like Man U except without two strikers.

Mata in the middle with Hazard on the left and Danny on the right (assuming we could get Hazard) would mean they could each swap position and play with a lot of freedom, Torres wouldn’t have to go wide or deep in search of the ball and we’d get plenty of goals from our 4 attacking players. Also Ramires and Essien would take it in turn to get forwards and add to the attack.

Mikel and Romeu would provide cover for Essien and Ramires and Meireles and Lampard could come in the pivot against weaker sides and also cover for Mata (or if we need to revert to the 4-3-3). In the long run this system could see Mikel leave as he’d be relegated to 4th choice most likely but would give us a healthy amount of cover for rotation.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 6:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

Swans

Not sure if anyone else watched Swansea v Arsenal. Great match – it’s going to be terrific for Josh to play there, it will really allow him to develop, I think.

And I’d much rather we take a 1-0 over Sunderland than a 3-2 defeat to Swansea like Arsenal, or the Spurs and Liverpool draws. Good weekend for Chelsea all around!

by ChelseaDC on Jan 15, 2012 6:14 PM GMT reply actions  

Swansea are definitely my second team at the moment.

That result plus McEachran will hopefully start playing regularly for them!

Lampard had a loan at Swansea at the beginning of his career.

by Famouscfc on Jan 15, 2012 7:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

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