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MATCH ANALYSIS: Newcastle 0 Chelsea 3

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Chelsea_vs_newcastle_mediumChelsea got the better of a high flying Newcastle, but the scoreline betrayed what happened in an enthralling end to end clash.

Andre Villas-Boas selected Didier Drogba to lead the line, and the only other selection of any real surprise was Oriol Romeu in the holding midfield role for the third time in seven days. Newcastle had to make do without Chiek Tiote and Jonas Gutierrez, who were replaced by Danny Guthrie and Peter Lovenkenbrands respectively. Ben Arfa played in the hole.

The momentum of the match swung from side to side, but Chelsea were more complete for more periods of the game, took their chances and defended doggedly. Newcastle, for all their stellar early season form, showed the gulf that exists between pretenders and contenders; those serious about Champions League qualification have the depth in their squad to ably cover missing players. The replacements for Tiote and Gutierrez just didn't met the standards of their predecessors that have helped propel Newcastle to the upper echelons of the Premier League.

It would be remiss to talk about this match and not acknowledge all the non-tactical features that could have changed the game, however they didn't happen, and as such things did happen with the events that did occur.

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First half

Newcastle set out with a 4-4-1-1 system where Ben Arfa had a free role, only restricted in his brief to add a third number to the midfield, and more importantly, track Oriol Romeu. It's not surprisingly to see this happen, as many managers use the same methods to even the numbers in midfield, but it's always hit and miss on whether it works. An example of it working very well was when Wayne Rooney hassled Jon Obi Mikel aganist United at Old Trafford last season, and an example of it working poorly was when Kevin Davies vaguely attempted to drop onto Meireles when Bolton came to Stamford Bridge.

Ben Arfa was somewhere in between - Romeu occasionally got space between the lines, but his job is to efficently dispatch possession and so it wasn't a huge deal if he was given space to pass. However, he did start to assume more responsbility as he realised the oppurtunity he had, and looking to move forward and pass through the defence. This coincided with Ben Arfa occassionally gaining time in the attacking third in front of Chelsea's defence. This ties in with what Villas-Boas said earlier in the week about his number 6. After a few misplaced through balls but more importantly just general Chelsea superiority possession in midfield, Ben Arfa started tracking Romeu a lot more but as a counter his influence waned. This probably led to his substitution at the break - but Pardew probably wanted to go more direct, having fallen behind.

This was one element of the midfield battle. The second match up was the two midfielders that either side looks to provide attacking impetus - Lampard and Cabaye. Both were wary of each other's threat and took to chasing each other around the field. Cabaye during the later period of the first half particularly would not let Lampard out of his sight. Lampard's reciporcation tired him a lot earlier and hence probably was why he was subbed. Cabaye's tracking made Lampard a lot more influential, and the same with Cabaye in terms of Lampard's tracking. Cabaye pressed better, and while this was good on an individual level, on a collective level it didn't work due to the behaviour of his partner.

Guthrie is not Newcastle's first choice in the midfield, and you could see why. Where Tiote is a snapper and hungry to win the ball, Guthrie was very restrained and sat deep in midfield. It's not overly clear what he was sitting deep for - perhaps a combination of compensating for a striker-cum-winger in Lovenkbrands and covering for Ryan Taylor, who was poor against Manchester City.

What this did though was open up plenty of space for the energetic Ramires, who played a very good box to box role, often finding lots of room to run at pace. It also, more crucially, gave Mata breathing space behind Cabaye and next to Guthrie. As a result Mata came extremely central and looked to play Sturridge in behind the struggling Taylor. Had Johan Gutirrez not been suspended, the game may have been completely different. Gutierrez works very hard in defence and accounts for Taylor's indescritons. Lovenkbrands wasn't very useful at all from a defensive or offensive viewpoint, and was promptly subbed. The right flank for Chelsea was really the match winner - as which we all already knew thanks to CareFree Chronicles.

The left flank was, by contrast, a weird scenario. In essence, it didn't exist. Obertan pinned back Ashley Cole and as such the full back did not inject much width into Chelsea's attack, but given Newcastle's vulnerabilties on the right it wasn't really necessary. Mata drifted away from his flank, and Simpson rarely pushed into the vacant space. Had he done so it may have given Chelsea problems.

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Changing patterns

The second half opened up with a period of Newcastle dominance, and as a result the Chelsea defence dropped a lot deeper. There's an interesting question to be asked here: was this a Villas-Boas decision or a reactionary measure to being under immense pressure?

The whole defensive line was pretty deep (considering) across the whole game, which seems like a strange tactic when you're facing physical players like Ba, and later, Ameobi. Regardless, this "coincided" with John Terry's best performance of the season, and also, when we sat deeper, Luiz was actually a lot better. He used his pace to good effect to make a few good interceptions, reminscent of his game against Manchester City where he cut out a lot of the supply to Dzeko. It's oft said that Luiz works best under the new system; but does he? This defensive set up was a lot like Ancelotti's Chelsea; drop deep, narrow, let the wingers do the work. Is Villas-Boas starting to adapt his tactics to his personnel ahead of some crunch games?Meireles_medium

Just before Lampard was subbed, Cabaye had started to ascertain control with a few nicely picked out diagonals across the pitch. The introduction of Meireles was a good move, freshening up the midfield and entering a player who can take good control if he is in on form. Cabaye's influence waned yet again and Meireles picked up steam, finding Sturridge and Torres on several occassions as Chelsea countered late on. Looking at Meireles chalkboard on the right, it's interesting to see the passes he makes down that left flank. It's curious to know whether or not he was looking to play it down that wing on purpose or if it was just happening because of the lack of action on that wing.

Mata_tackles_mediumReplacing Mata with Kalou was, in hindsight, a good move. Kalou injected some width and fresh legs on the vacant left hand side, has a knack of picking up goals from the bench and works hard in defence. Mata was also looking a little tired, maybe as a result of working hard(er) in defence. This is evidenced by the three tackles he made. Netherless, it was good to rest him for Wednesday.

End notes

Newcastle showed why they won't stay where they are for long. They lost key players and as a result they fell at the wayside. Yes, they did get unlucky, but this was a good performance from Chelsea, and in particular, the Cech_long_goal_kicks_mediumcombinations between Mata and Sturridge were particularly pleasing. Romeu is maturing every game, and a settled back four is working dividends, with another clean sheet. The elephant is still in the room though - Drogba or Torres? It depends on long term sustaniability - who works better in the system? Do they add to the system?

A final Chalkboard - last week we spoke about whether or not Drogba contributes to a direct style of play. We took Cech's distribution as one measure (not an absolute) and found it slightly inconclusive: more evidence here, but again, you can intrepet how you want. After all, we were under pressure and wanted to get the goal far away from goal as possible...and then again it is tempting just to belt it to Drogba as a target man...

Tougher challenges lie ahead - but this is fresh cause for optimism.

Further reading: CareFree Chronicles Five Points to Ponder

Apologies for the lack of a cheesy headline!

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Nice Analasys T

I think Mereiles (not as DM) adds a lot of movement and dynamism to our midfield. And Romeu has to be our No.1 Dm now. Theres no comparison to the ploding Mikel. And it may be controversial but any lineup that breaks up the tired old routine (older players who have played together so long that they keep slipping back to bad habits) is welcome and helps drag our older players out of their comfort zone.

by joady on Dec 5, 2011 1:47 PM GMT reply actions  

Romeu might be my new favorite player.

All we’ve seen so far is class. We need to find a way to keep this kid.

by ComesOutToEssien on Dec 5, 2011 3:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

Is he on a buy back clause?

That’s how Barca always do it these days.

by Sabrina Dessipe on Dec 5, 2011 3:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

I've heard conflicting reports but I think he is.

€10m after this year and €15m after next. It’d be a good bit of business considering we got him for 5, but he looks to be well worth keeping. Midfielders of his quality don’t come around often.

by ComesOutToEssien on Dec 5, 2011 3:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

Romeu spoke about the ‘buyback clause’ after signing for Chelsea and said he’s not looking to return to Barcelona. Romeu shows what a natural DM brings to our team rather than the alternatives we currently have. For me, Romeu, Ramires and Raul Meireles have to start as our best midfield group….although I would like to see Mata played behind the striker instead of out on the left.

by sdb123 on Dec 5, 2011 6:59 PM GMT up reply actions  

Tbf, he's not going to say "I'm going to leave the first chance I get". Still, if

we do well, and he keeps getting more first team action, he might even come to like us (awwwwww).

by Valens on Dec 5, 2011 7:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Well,

We could use a 4-4-2 Diamond. Problem solved!

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"Ignorant people are easier to control"

by trOOly on Dec 5, 2011 9:32 PM GMT up reply actions  

If we sign a new winger in January

I’d like to see us try this:

…………Ramires…………Romeu………….
……………………….Mata…………………………
Sturridge………..Torres…………..Winger

by deg0ey on Dec 5, 2011 10:02 PM GMT up reply actions  

He is

But there are different ways how to solve the mess. Offering a new contract with idiotic sums of cash. Offering him a relatively safe first team starting place (whereas he’s only warming the bench at Barca). Offering him the opportunity to win silverware with Chelsea (there is a club that comes to my mind but since it’s you I just shut up politely).

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 4:09 PM GMT up reply actions  

And with Barcelona's DM being as good and as young as he is

Romeu would be playing second fiddle for a long time. He has plenty of incentive not to want to go back. Now we just have to give him the proper incentive to want to stay at CFC

by FootieFromAfar on Dec 5, 2011 4:22 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

There was one player

who campaigned year for year his foster father may allow him to go home … he did not say he was fed up with his foster father because he never won any silverware there, but people keep saying this was an example you need to win things if you wanna keep your sons … or similar

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 10:09 PM GMT up reply actions  

Well this kid sounds really ungrateful

I’m sure his foster father put a lot of time and energy into raising this boy. I bet he’s heartbroken. I hope this kid realizes that he broke an old mans heart. :’c(

by Sabrina Dessipe on Dec 6, 2011 3:06 PM GMT up reply actions  

Well this kid says to the press

he loves his foster father and will remember his days with him forever, however behind the back his new teammates and team doctors are moaning that his foster father didn’t do him justice …
That saga was a really, really, weird story

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by Maiev on Dec 6, 2011 4:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

Romeu to Barca

Barcelona can’t just force Romeu back if they pay his buyback fee. They need to agree to personal terms and they also need to convince Romeu he’ll get playing time. Right now they have two players in front of Romeu in Busquets and Mascherano (and maybe Keita but I expect he won’t be there next year). Barcelona B also have a number of good MFs and I don’t see them needing Romeu for anything more than depth’s sake. I really believe Romeu is going to develop into a Lucas like player for Chelsea and I don’t see him tossing that to be a bench player for Barca. Then again Mascherano did do something similar with Liverpool.

by Kman23 on Dec 7, 2011 9:22 AM GMT up reply actions  

Mascherano is a CB now

So only Busquets would be in front of Romeu if they wanted him back.

by Al Benson on Dec 7, 2011 12:40 PM GMT up reply actions  

Not true. Macherano is playing some CB but he’s still the backup to Busquetes. Once Barcelona addresses it’s shortage of CB options they’ll move him up again.

by Kman23 on Dec 9, 2011 5:25 AM GMT up reply actions  

I think our best midfield is Romeu- Meireles - Ramires

In a 4-3-3, or Romeu – Ramires —> Mata – Meireles – Sturridge in a 4-2-3-1

Either way, these guys make for a solid, dynamic, quick-passing midfield. I love Lampard and Mikel, but they’re just not starting the guys I want to see out there for big games anymore.

It’ll be really interesting how the midfield dynamic changes when Essien comes back.

by FootieFromAfar on Dec 5, 2011 4:20 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Enjoyed the piece, but...

“It’s oft said that Luiz works best under the new system”

Oft said by who?

by midlineshift on Dec 5, 2011 2:29 PM GMT reply actions  

common perception

people have been saying Luiz’s pace will help him in a high defensive line while the other Chelsea centerbacks don’t have that much pace. However Luiz’s positioning and aerial abilities have severely let him down and his pace is only enabling him to catch up after the opponent is already goal side of Luiz. So he is rarely in a ball winning position and ends up fouling the opponent. I have this fear that Luiz is going to be red carded for a similar offence in some important game this season. Hopefully that won’t be a knock out game like the one tomorrow.

by Uchiha Sasuke on Dec 5, 2011 3:00 PM GMT up reply actions  

Having said that

I would also like to see which Chelsea defender is making the opponent ‘on side’ in all these 1 v 1 situations. Yesterday it was Luiz only. If it is always only one guy who is breaking the line, then that would indicate lack of trust or communication between our defenders and the problem could be solved. Coz if the ball is very good and the run is perfectly timed there is nothing that could be done, other than hope that our goalkeeper is able to save. I don’t think every over the top ball can be prevented by efficient pressing. Our midfielders will all have to be Ramires to do that much pressing. Or we should have as much possession as Barcelona does so that chances will be very limited for the opponents. I say just outscore the opponent and don’t worry about goals conceded :)

by Uchiha Sasuke on Dec 5, 2011 3:10 PM GMT reply actions  

It's not

I’ve seen offside trap mistakes by every one of our defenders who isn’t John Terry.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 5, 2011 3:33 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's going to be a huge loss when JT get too old and starts to lose sharpness

Continues to be one of the best CB’s in the world, IMO. As much as I like David Luiz, he’s nowhere near the level of JT (Carvalho is the only other CB we’ve ever had who was).

by FootieFromAfar on Dec 5, 2011 4:24 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Righhht.

True story. My bad. 100% yes

In any case, we certainly don’t have anyone else at that level right now.

by FootieFromAfar on Dec 5, 2011 5:28 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions  

Desailly

is surely a very fine wine in the cellar as well :p
(No, you don’t need to know what this means if you didn’t read that piece)

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 6:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

I don't think he would.

I’m not going to dispute that Desailly is very much in our “best ever defenders” club, but he always strikes me as the sort of guy who who wouldn’t make a fuss. [Before you say something, I am aware you’re just saying he was on that level]

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by Kevin Kostka on Dec 5, 2011 7:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

Carvalho carried JT for a couple at years at the end, I thought. This is just me, but I think

Lord Percy was just slightly ahead of Terry. That said, Luiz will be just as good as him one day.

by Valens on Dec 5, 2011 6:17 PM GMT up reply actions  

Really enjoyed the piece

Insightful and well thought out. Well done mate!

As far as the Drogba – Torres elephant, I’d have to say that even if it was all-else-equal (which I maintain that it’s not but don’t want to get into that discussion), it’s easy to see that Torres and not Drogba is the future of this club, if nothing else then because Drogba is so old and losing so much sharpness by the minute. Think about two years ago, then last year, and now. He’s been significantly and progressively worse as time passes, and at an alarming rate. It happens; he just doesn’t have the energy to play at the top level anymore. Torres, for all his wasted chances and whatever else people have against him, still puts in the work rate and makes goal scoring opportunities.

Drogba is the past, Torres is the future. Maybe right now they’re equal (they’re not but whatever), but even so playing Drogba is short-sighted.

by FootieFromAfar on Dec 5, 2011 4:30 PM GMT via mobile reply actions  

"Think about two years ago, then last year, and now."

Sadly, that also applies to Torres.

Drogba has looked as good in the last couple games as Torres did in the first few games of the season. I find nothing wrong in going with the in-form player (although I would start Torres v. Valencia, as he tends to do better in CL matches).

by DPeezy on Dec 5, 2011 6:26 PM GMT up reply actions  

I am iffy on that

only because Torres has played so little. Carling Cup aside (where, even though he was on the whole match, he played so little). My worry was that he’s so out of real game minutes and doing anything with them that he won’t be able to do anything in the big games. Won’t be surprised to see him ride the bench for the next two, at least, and maybe start picking up games come next month (if he survives the dreaded transfer window…. duh duh dun).

I thought Drogba wasnt bad in this last match, and also thought he wasn’t half bad in the Liverpool match either. I think, funny enough, Leverkusen was one of his poorer matches of the recent run, goal aside. But he is clearly gaining some confidence in his game time at the moment. And Mata wasn’t diminished in this last match (I wonder if that is because he basically played left wing AND in the hole) while he was on the field, so looks like it can work.

But I do wonder what Chelsea will do in the transfter window with Drogba clearly on the way out in the foreseeable future. Maybe not this window, but by summer they may clear out Torres and stick to Sturridge for CF.

by alynne4307 on Dec 5, 2011 6:48 PM GMT up reply actions  

OK I take the risk of heating up the Torres vs. Drogba vs. Studge debate

(sidenote: oh, now it has become a threesome – whoaaa!!! winks)

But I can’t imagine Sturridge to be our main CF next season, not if he plays a whole season out on the wide. And AVB has stressed 2 times after another now he wants to stick Sturridge out wide (and it makes sense, since he doesn’t have to beat opposition CBs this way and it doesn’t look as if he’s already capable of doing that well). That doesn’t mean he can’t be a good CF, though. I actually think he can grow into this role – but that’s purely speculation and good hope on my part. He has yet to prove he can be our future first choice CF though it doesn’t seem AVB has the plans as such.

I for my part can’t imagine we are clearing out Torres in the summer, since we will never be able to absorb that kind of loss especially with FFP incoming. I do think Drogba is playing himself into form, but I wonder how long we will stick with him on a long term basis. However AVB’s plans sticking with Drogba now since we have difficult games ahead of us and playing Torres into form again afterwards would make sense, too. So I’d reserve judgment on this elephant; think in February we know more.

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 6:57 PM GMT up reply actions  

stick to

and not with. Sorry

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 7:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Yup...

not to mention the fact that Torres will have almost a whole month to himself once Didier goes off to the African Nations Cup in January

by Trequartista on Dec 5, 2011 7:37 PM GMT up reply actions  

Michel is "worried"

at least. And isn’t he the “father” of FFP?

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 10:10 PM GMT up reply actions  

It literally doesn't matter.

Isn’t his transfer outside the scope of FFP? Even if it isn’t, the loss we’d make on him is irrelevant for FFP. The money has already been spent, so, technically, we’re out 50m either way, and anything we got would be a net gain. Of course, he’s worth more to us than we’d get for him, which is why he’s still here, but any money he’d generate is free to use for anything we want to spend it on, be it debt, players, or whatever.

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by Kevin Kostka on Dec 6, 2011 1:41 AM GMT up reply actions  

his contract was signed in January 2011.

I believe the cutoff was in June or July of 2010, which is why we extended a bunch of contracts then.

by Cablinasian on Dec 6, 2011 8:42 AM GMT up reply actions  

Ehh

I am not really gonna try to figure it out anymore… will just have to watch and see. The whole situation makes me a little sad, but maybe it will turn out better after some trying times for everyone. We can only hope.

But for the next couple of games, Drogba’s in a better place at the moment, so I could see him starting both.

by alynne4307 on Dec 5, 2011 9:21 PM GMT up reply actions  

It's all a question of hair

Malouda should get those braids back and we’ll win the title

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 7:07 PM GMT up reply actions  

Actually

he just touched up the blonde and hasnt been playing much better. I have a new ridiculous theory on the part of looks, though.

I blame the tight jerseys. While I enjoy the way they look, I don’t think he has played well since the more form fitting kits came into play.

(this is not in seriousness, though… )

by alynne4307 on Dec 5, 2011 9:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

I know why

didn’t he wear long sleeves all along his Pool days? Now how does he expect to PLAY if he wore short sleeves? Boooo him!!!!!!111self

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 10:11 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hmm

So adjusting to the weather has made him worse? I like it. Get long sleeves on that boy, asap, and let him overheat, I say!

by alynne4307 on Dec 6, 2011 1:20 AM GMT up reply actions  

Oops

I meant the weather in England versus Spain… I assume he wore long sleeves because he was cold, because he didn’t always wear sleeves for Atletico. He seems to wear the shorter sleeves more often now.

by alynne4307 on Dec 6, 2011 2:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

Well since he wore long sleeves

at Pool for much of the time and now that he plays in short sleeves he owes us an explanation! Get the mob ready to catch him when he “walks” to Stamford Bridge

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by Maiev on Dec 6, 2011 4:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

I fail to imagine

that anything you’d do to him will be under 18 … ah I won’t go into any details :D

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by Maiev on Dec 6, 2011 5:31 PM GMT up reply actions  

He did, to begin the season

But still just a shadow of his former self. And that’s the point I was trying to make.

by DPeezy on Dec 5, 2011 8:07 PM GMT up reply actions  

When the other team has the ball, it's only natural for the team to drop deeper

We lost both the possession and the territory battle on Saturday, which is why I think people are getting the impression that we played a deeper line.

We pushed up just as high as usual when we had the ball in Newcastle’s half.

by DPeezy on Dec 5, 2011 6:20 PM GMT reply actions  

But we didn't press them. The whole point of a high line is to pack the opposition in their half, which

makes it easier to press them aggressively. If we’re not gonna press, why even have a high line?

I think we dropped deep and countered. The last two goals will attest to that.

by Valens on Dec 5, 2011 6:24 PM GMT up reply actions  

Good piece. I, for one, applaud AVB for his change of tactics. Who says we HAVE to play

the high line + press combo in every game? We should be tactically flexible enough to be able to play both whenever we want, and whenever it would be most advantageous.

by Valens on Dec 5, 2011 6:21 PM GMT reply actions  

I do even think

we don’t need to play the high line + pressing throughout an entire match alone; since it’s eating up a lot resources and energy, which may lead to lack of concentration in the final minutes, which may lead to a late goal, which may lead to to …

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by Maiev on Dec 5, 2011 6:38 PM GMT up reply actions  

My Two Cents

This is my first post in a while. Sorry, last semester at school and I’m studying for exams and also I’m trying to get up to speed for a job starting in January (if anyone is interested in US political races let me know) and I have a hard time accepting our losses so I kind of disappeared.

Anyway…. Romeu is so much better as a CDM. He really reminds me of Lucas. I think Romeu + Ramires is a great tandem and they fit together very well.

I was trying to figure out what Chelsea should do with Mikel and Essien when Essien comes back and I think I figured it out. Honestly, Essien wasn’t that good last year and who knows if he’ll ever be the Essien of old. There is no way that he’s better than Ramires but he is better than Ivanovic/Bosingwa. So move Essien to RB and let him backup Ramires when needed. Also, Mikel is too slow to play in a congested MF but what about moving him back to CB? Mikel would give us a 3rd CB (full time) behind Terry and Luiz once Alex leaves. He’s also faster than any other CB besides Luiz and he’s great at man marking a man for an entire match. He might be perfect for the role especially when we play a higher line. A higher defensive line means that Mikel would play at about the same depth as he did/does when we play Mourinho style defense.

Going forward Chelsea need a defensive winger (think Park for Man U or Eboue for Arsenal) because this match and the Valencia game showed that Sturridge and Mata cannot contain good attacking fullbacks. When we went up 2-0 in both games I’d loved to have a defensive Winger as an option to stifle Taylor and Alba.

by Kman23 on Dec 7, 2011 9:17 AM GMT reply actions  

Alba

Alba works as a defensive winger. I really like him. I think he’s going to be expensive to buy though and Valencia should soon have their financial house in order and might not need to sell him. Plus, I could see Barca try and scoop him up as their future replacement to Abidal. I think we’re going to have to pay Coentrao/Perriera type money for Alba and I’d rather avoid that for a guy who’s only going to be a one-tick poney. Put the money in De Rossi and Lee and find a cheap RB/LB that used to play wing. Someone like Zambrotta who’d cost us nothing.

by Kman23 on Dec 9, 2011 5:53 AM GMT up reply actions  

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